FHI has new turbo engine on horizon

Post by **TOONGA** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 12:59 pm

nncoolg wrote:"Stagea"

Thats the one hence the "?" after the name I gave, I just pulled them to bits

they are a nice wagon but not a subaru

TOONGA

taza · Post by **taza** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:07 pm

Ooo nice and shiny

I want!

NachaLuva · Post by **NachaLuva** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:27 pm

Great looking engine (imagine the chrome in gold

) & interesting discussion.

Cats before a turbo? As turbos spin up due to exhaust "impulses" rather than "flow" (AFAIK), wouldnt that increase turbo lag? Please correct me if I've got it wrong...

H-top · Post by **H-top** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:48 pm

nncoolg wrote:
Im intrigued by the top-mounted, downward-facing oil filter there's a mess waiting to happen

It is a really clever design and actually is very clean and easy to replace, particularly if the filter does not have a valve it it, the oil drains back and the filter is basically "dry" before you unscrew it.

A cartridge filter with that design is a different story....

H-top · Post by **H-top** » Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:51 pm

nachaluva wrote: Cats before a turbo? As turbos spin up due to exhaust "impulses" rather than "flow" (AFAIK), wouldnt that increase turbo lag? Please correct me if I've got it wrong...

that is a six of one, half a dozen of the other kind of thing.

What spools a turbo is as much heat as it is flow, and as we all know (some by more painful experiences than others) that cats make and hold IMMENSE amounts of heat and aids spooling up, it is the same reason we ceramic coat turbo and exhaust parts, to mantain the temperature INSIDE the system.

Although, it is still poo to work around go fast bits with.

Cheers,
H

RSR 555 · Post by **RSR 555** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:40 am

nncoolg wrote:"Stagea"?
Isn't there a Subaru Exiga of recent years?

Oops.. yes sir.. Stagea is the one I was thinking

thunder039 · Post by **thunder039** » Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:05 am

already said earler this engine wont be used in the brz. subaru have no intention at the moment adding a turbo or higher proformance engine to the brz line up, while toyota is...
this engine will be used in the new wrx and will be competing in the wrc as already stated.

:o
i believe the new wrx however will be a whole new plateform possible 2 door.

nncoolg · Post by **nncoolg** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:43 am

'Motor' magazine out at the moment features an sti BRZ, turbo.

discopotato03 · Post by **discopotato03** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:40 pm

4WD Skylines and Stageas have a cast aluminium sump and the front diff housing is part of this casting on the off side . They have a tube running sideways through the sump to transfer drive to the nearside front driveshaft .
The main part of the gearbox is same as my R33 GTS25T has only the extension is different . It transmits drive to the front diff with a shortinsh propshaft again on the offside of the gearbox .

Where this Nissan system trumps all others is that it has permanent rear wheel drive and NO center differential . They transmit drive to the front diff via a hydraulically actuated multi wet plate clutch (think motorbike) . Varying hydraulic pressure to this clutch varies torque to the front diff from nothing to direct drive which is something no center differential can do . They get hydraulic pressure from the power steering pump .
From a race perspective this is the best system to use bar none , not cheap or easy and not the best thing for you average understeering road type car .
This is why you paid 114K (on the road) for a brand spankers Aus spec Skyline GTR back in 1991 .

A .

thunder039 · Post by **thunder039** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:07 pm

that magazine if you read the article isnt a subaru built turbo from what i remember

discopotato03 · Post by **discopotato03** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:39 pm

And by the way its thermal expansion that drives a turbos turbine . Pulse energy can be used to get the turbo spinning earlier if the manifold/header and turbine housing is properly designed ie twin scroll systems . The better an engine scavanges the better it drives a turbocharger .

dobo · Post by **dobo** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:56 am

nncoolg wrote:'Motor' magazine out at the moment features an sti BRZ, turbo.

not having read motor but i remember reading somewhere about the sti brz having no turbo or even engine improvements, but lower weight, carbon fiber bonnet etc, and sti suspension. Ii think with the brz that is exactly what it needs, not more power.

thunder039 · Post by **thunder039** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:00 am

dobo wrote:not having read motor but i remember reading somewhere about the sti brz having no turbo or even engine improvements, but lower weight, carbon fiber bonnet etc, and sti suspension. Ii think with the brz that is exactly what it needs, not more power.

this is what i thought aswell the STI offered no motor improvements

discopotato03 · Post by **discopotato03** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:27 am

A bit less weight and a bit more engine capacity would be best but then again if it makes torque it becomes a bit tractionless doesn't it .
They look like they're being marketed as a cult kiddy car . Throw in a pair of backwards fitting caps and a box of Snickers and double the sales .

YouTube · Post by **El_Freddo** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:35 am

discopotato03 wrote: They look like they're being marketed as a cult kiddy car . Throw in a pair of backwards fitting caps and a box of Snickers and double the sales .

Make sure those caps still have the sticker on the flat brim - otherwise they won't go for it!

Cheers

Bennie

thunder039 · Post by **thunder039** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:36 am

the car has been basically designed for japan and the drift cultur hence why its rear wheel drive and relatively cheap. over in the UK you can buy a stripped down version ie no radia etc and use it as a base for drift car

YouTube · Post by **El_Freddo** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:45 am

thunder039 wrote:the car has been basically designed for japan and the drift cultur hence why its rear wheel drive and relatively cheap. over in the UK you can buy a stripped down version ie no radia etc and use it as a base for drift car

I've also heard someone make the comment that subaru went into this deal with toyota to bring back something to the subaru line up that the original WRX did back in the day - cheap bang for your buck performance and handling. But this one obviously lacks the turbo and the AWD options.

I guess if you're a toyota boy at heart you'll buy the toyota model, if you're a subaru geek you'll wait for the release of the BRZ.

Watch the aftermarket performance market go nuts when they first land - new products ahoy!

Then watch the engineers run as the wave of toybarus rock up for engineering!

Cheers

Bennie

thunder039 · Post by **thunder039** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:28 pm

the car certaintly does what the wrx can no longer do, provide cheap fun.
there is already performance people out there that have created turbo's for them.

dobo · Post by **dobo** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:17 pm

Turbo on the fa20? With a compression ratio of 12.x this wouldnt happen without engine work. Maybe an ej swap. I know the huge horspower d1 car they built for next years season didnt have the fa in it

NachaLuva · Post by **NachaLuva** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:45 pm

El_Freddo wrote: Watch the aftermarket performance market go nuts when they first land - new products ahoy!

Then watch the engineers run as the wave of toybarus rock up for engineering!

I reckon!

thunder039 wrote:the car certaintly does what the wrx can no longer do, provide cheap fun.
there is already performance people out there that have created turbo's for them.

Yeehaa!