Unqualified work on cars.

gosurfun · Post by **gosurfun** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:57 pm

Unqualified welding and mechanical work and legal issues,
Inexperienced and unqualified welding and mechanical jobs including on suspension components on all sorts of vehicles including Subaru’s. If you are the only one using the car you can possibly escape any recriminations but if you are doing welding or other jobs on your own or other peoples cars, your responsibilities do not end with the car disappearing out the driveway driven by someone else. There is no control over how the car is going to be treated in the future. If any of the work done on it can be found to be a cause or contributing cause of an accident which goes to court, you can be liable for part or all of the potentially large compensation and legal costs involved.
This does not mean it will happen to some of the members here, but be careful, its becoming more frequent.

purp · Post by **purp** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:09 pm

Duty of care to a random unknown future user of your vehicle is something we should all be away of. But I think this probably comes under the heading of know what you are doing and try not to break the law too much.

But then I [a] have been drinking, and have qualified friends I get to do the dodgy weldi g for me.

d_generate · Post by **d_generate** » Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:47 pm

Yep, I always pay a qualified welder to do any needed on either fixeruppers or my own.

littlewhiteute · Post by **littlewhiteute** » Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:37 am

That's been my argument for years.
I do all of my own work because I am QUALIFIED to do it.

revmax · Post by **revmax** » Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:52 am

what about home built trailers

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:56 am

seen some bodgy home built trailers , but not in your posts Carl

niterida · Post by **niterida** » Sun Apr 01, 2012 12:02 pm

hmmm what about a complete novice who has never welded before moving chassis rails and sticking 500hp turbo rotary in Brumby ??

Brumby Kid · Post by **Brumby Kid** » Sun Apr 01, 2012 1:46 pm

niterida wrote:hmmm what about a complete novice who has never welded before moving chassis rails and sticking 500hp turbo rotary in Brumby ??

Defiantly get someone to check your welds first!!!

purp · Post by **purp** » Sun Apr 01, 2012 1:59 pm

niterida wrote:hmmm what about a complete novice who has never welded before moving chassis rails and sticking 500hp turbo rotary in Brumby ??

What can possibly go wrong?

taza · Post by **taza** » Sun Apr 01, 2012 2:08 pm

niterida wrote:hmmm what about a complete novice who has never welded before moving chassis rails and sticking 500hp turbo rotary in Brumby ??

haha

I don't see it being an issue if someone qualified checked over the work or did the welding. You tack welding it of course.

Don't through the project in, it will be well worth it in the long run

NachaLuva · Post by **NachaLuva** » Sun Apr 01, 2012 9:36 pm

niterida wrote:hmmm what about a complete novice who has never welded before moving chassis rails and sticking 500hp turbo rotary in Brumby ??

Brumby Kid wrote:Defiantly get someone to check your welds first!!!

Its called an engineering certificate lol.

part of the EC is to check not just the legality of the work done, ie, whether it should be done, but also the quality of the work, esp things like welds.

When I had my beloved RX3 with 12AT engineered, one of the approx 130 items I had on a list to fix was the welding on a race seat.

If its passed & there's a problem, its the engineer's responsibility, which is why they need insurance for exactly this kind of thing.

Moral of the story...niterida : go nuts haha

niterida · Post by **niterida** » Sun Apr 01, 2012 9:43 pm

Yeah I'm only tacking it together really. Engineer needs to see a signed letter by a coded welder stating that the welding has been done to spec. Although I am struggling to find a welder who wants to help. Most of them work on the mines and don't want to pick up a welding machine on their days off. And the welders that can help want over $100/hr. My old neighbour is a car nut doing up a Charger and he is a welder but works on the mines and didn't seem interested in heloing either.

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:44 am

an engineer over this way asks what welding rods were used - China sourced , won't touch it !

NachaLuva · Post by **NachaLuva** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:12 pm

I hope you find someone

2nd Hand Yank · Post by **2nd Hand Yank** » Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:40 pm

niterida wrote:Yeah I'm only tacking it together really. Engineer needs to see a signed letter by a coded welder stating that the welding has been done to spec. Although I am struggling to find a welder who wants to help. Most of them work on the mines and don't want to pick up a welding machine on their days off. And the welders that can help want over $100/hr. My old neighbour is a car nut doing up a Charger and he is a welder but works on the mines and didn't seem interested in heloing either.

Depending on how much welding you need done,

GT Fabrications in Bunbury WA I think quoted me $85/hr which included a combination of TIG, MIG welding and custom bracket cutting/shaping of aluminium for my spotlight mounts.

YouTube · Post by **El_Freddo** » Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:44 pm

Thanks for the update gosurfin, But I'm pretty sure that many on this forum know this already...

At least that's how I go about my business!

Cheers

Bennie

dobo · Post by **dobo** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:46 am

nachaluva wrote:Its called an engineering certificate lol.

Yeah this is what i was thinking when i read the first post. Is'nt this the same as insurance not paying out if they find undisclosed and un engineered mods on a vehicle?

Is'nt the point of the engineers cert that they make sure its all legit and safe, and in doing so they take responsiblity of any failures in the future?

NachaLuva · Post by **NachaLuva** » Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:52 pm

dobo wrote:Yeah this is what i was thinking when i read the first post. Is'nt this the same as insurance not paying out if they find undisclosed and un engineered mods on a vehicle?

Is'nt the point of the engineers cert that they make sure its all legit and safe, and in doing so they take responsiblity of any failures in the future?

Thats exactly right