5 stud conversions

subarursliberty · Post by **subarursliberty** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:52 pm

Rear hubs only for sure. Depending on when they will be made and the cost.

discopotato03 · Post by **discopotato03** » Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:56 am

I spoke to Gee a few times about this and ultimately I think he feels that a custom stub axle to suit production 5 stud hubs would have been better . External splines are more economical to produce than internal ones and 2nd hand hubs would be cheap for what they are .

I think you may have an easier time with the park brake if you used Nissans calipers which have the hand brake feature ie R30 Skyline and many S13/14/15 rear calipers . If you can do this and mount the calipers off an adequate backplate bolted to the std trailing arm you don't need all the internal drum brake hardware .

I think Crossbreds greatest challenge was making a kit that complied with Vic roads standards . The greatest shame is that it doesn't appear legally and economically practical to graft the whole later rear end into an L or MY . All doable but the regulators get antsy about fabrications and legal ramifications .
Also most won't foot the bill , easier just to buy an early Liberty or Impreza .

Cheers A .

YouTube · Post by **El_Freddo** » Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:38 am

Adrian,

That is true about Vic roads, but i'm sure this kit will be of some use to people in vic that want better brakes on their L or MY without upgrading the car (back to the standard of that model). There's always a way around Vicroads - it just depends on how much you're willing to part with.

I'm personally in no rush for bigger brakes (yet), but i'm interested to see how these will pass an inspection by vic roads or an engineers report...

Cheers

Bennie

discopotato03 · Post by **discopotato03** » Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:50 pm

I guess I'm lucky , I've had people who are old hands at rally car fabrications work on my cars in the past . I cant tell you to turn a blind eye to Vic Roads/RTA or whomwver . What I can say is that provided you don't drive like a lunatic/maniac most of this world won't know or care how many nuts hold your wheels on or what lives inside them . You do have a responsibility to make sure your vehicle is safe to drive and ride in and that anyone who works on it really does understand suspension and braking systems .

In other words I have no intention of going anywhere an engineer when my kit goes in because having been a Fitter Machinist I know a safe and workable system when I see one . I also don't drive in an anti social manner so I doubt my car's going to attract the attention of anyone except a few old world Subaru enthusiasts . The fact that Gee used "bolt on" backing plates to mount std Subie hardware is a bonus and after its gathered a bit of road dust will look factory because basically it is . The MY00 wheels will look different but most people born in the last 20 years are used to seeing small cars with big wheels and low profile (50) tyres . In my era (licenced in 84) low profiles were 60's and quite a few big cars had 13 or 14" wheels and 70 series tyres .

Cheers .

mattl200 · Post by **mattl200** » Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:19 pm

im insterested in the hubs and the weld rings if u decide to do them

tex · Post by **tex** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 5:53 pm

Yes well an engineer will let you do anything provided its safe thats the point thats why they're there so you must be hiding for a reason but as I said i'll get the whole kit its cheaper than wasting my time playing around with bits and peices for that long cheers

Willie · Post by **Willie** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:13 pm

If I were to buy another MY or L, I would definately be interested. Just have to wait and see what the next project will be!

jimbrat · Post by **jimbrat** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:28 pm

i will be interested in a set, depending on price
Jim

Cam · Post by **Cam** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:32 pm

any further development with these kits? Interested in a kit rather than hubs only...

Outback bloke · Post by **Outback bloke** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 5:26 am

Yes, looks like the price is going to be $700. I think it is too expensive though. There has got to be a better price around some where for them.

daza · Post by **daza** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:05 am

Brett,
Is that the kit price or just the Hubs?
Would be a good price for the kit...
Daza.

discopotato03 · Post by **discopotato03** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:11 pm

There is an interesting "5 lug" thread over at USMB ATM if interested

Cheers A .

Suby Wan Kenobi · Post by **Suby Wan Kenobi** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:24 pm

Daza that is a price for a pair of hubs only

redskin · Post by **redskin** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:29 am

discopotato03 wrote:There is an interesting "5 lug" thread over at USMB ATM if interested

Cheers A .

Have been following this thread with interest and have ordered a set, the price is right and they are using high grade materials so l figure they're worth a try. l'm with Mr Discopotato on this one, nobody in over 30 years of driving has ever bothered to count the number of wheel nuts on a car that l've driven so it's of no concern to me as long as they are safe.

discopotato03 · Post by **discopotato03** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 7:24 am

Once you have those hubs you could make your own backing plate to mount rear brake calipers . To simplify the rear handbrake idea you could use a Nissan Caliper from an MR 30 skyline (2.4E) as these have handbrake type calipers . Also found on import Silvia S13/14/15 and Aus spec 200SX S14 and S15's . Actually it may just be possible to use MY or L series front calipers depending on your rear disk thickness and what brakes you use on the front .
The bias needs to be right .

Cheers .

Outback bloke · Post by **Outback bloke** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:39 pm

Why bother trying to fabricate some thing from another model or manufacturer when a Liberty/Impreza set of brakes are so readily available?

The hard work is already done. All the end user has to do is come up with the cash and you can buy a bolt on kit. Why are 90% of Subaru owners so tight they won't spend a dollar to modify their car? Directed at no-one in particular just a general observation.

I honestly don't know why people wanting 5 stud or bigger brakes don't just buy a cheap arse Liberty and start again. You can get a Liberty for the price of a brake conversion kit, they are stronger and more comfortable. Brumby owners, sure, it is a ute and some thing you can't buy in a Liberty. Rice boys with hotted turbo conversions, sure. Other than that any thing you can do in an old one you can do in a Liberty or Impreza.

jimbrat · Post by **jimbrat** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 4:01 pm

i am definatly interested in a full kit

jimbrat · Post by **jimbrat** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 4:12 pm

i was wondering if anyone knows of somewere in perth that will do a five stud conversion on a brumby. I work away and don't have time or skills

discopotato03 · Post by **discopotato03** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 4:50 pm

BYB , because those adapted backplates are very involved and so expensive to buy/make .

You are right about starting again with a cheap early Lib in every aspect except weight , and the only way around that is go pre 2001 Impreza and they are expensive if you want a late one with the factory goodies .

Cheers A .

90brumby · Post by **90brumby** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 4:52 pm

BYB-01 wrote:Why bother trying to fabricate some thing from another model or manufacturer when a Liberty/Impreza set of brakes are so readily available?

The hard work is already done. All the end user has to do is come up with the cash and you can buy a bolt on kit. Why are 90% of Subaru owners so tight they won't spend a dollar to modify their car? Directed at no-one in particular just a general observation.

I honestly don't know why people wanting 5 stud or bigger brakes don't just buy a cheap arse Liberty and start again. You can get a Liberty for the price of a brake conversion kit, they are stronger and more comfortable. Brumby owners, sure, it is a ute and some thing you can't buy in a Liberty. Rice boys with hotted turbo conversions, sure. Other than that any thing you can do in an old one you can do in a Liberty or Impreza.

very tru have noticed this my self i just saw a 4wd lib 4 1200 bucks