Anyone ej'd an L in victoria?
Anyone ej'd an L in victoria?
I stuck wondering what to do with my L, Ive done a head gasket and probably damaged the motor by driving it for week, topping up the oil with coolant .
Spoke to a mechanic who said it'll be about 600 to get the head gaskets done, And if ive done a head well it'll be even more. And It would also be a good idea to do all the belts/ water pump oil pump while im there so a fair bit of $$$.
Ive done some reading on the thread for installing a ej, but would like some local knowledge regarding engineers and places to go for things. Im not sure if I want to go through with it all or not, I still might keep a ea82 in it.
1 Does anyone know of any engineers that could ok the conversion in vic with roughly how much $
2 Where's a good place to get a half cut or engine gb/comp/loom from.
3 Do the brakes need upgrading for a ej22?
4 Maybe a dream but is there much more work/$$$ involved in going ej turbo?
Any ideas or thoughts appreciated.
Spoke to a mechanic who said it'll be about 600 to get the head gaskets done, And if ive done a head well it'll be even more. And It would also be a good idea to do all the belts/ water pump oil pump while im there so a fair bit of $$$.
Ive done some reading on the thread for installing a ej, but would like some local knowledge regarding engineers and places to go for things. Im not sure if I want to go through with it all or not, I still might keep a ea82 in it.
1 Does anyone know of any engineers that could ok the conversion in vic with roughly how much $
2 Where's a good place to get a half cut or engine gb/comp/loom from.
3 Do the brakes need upgrading for a ej22?
4 Maybe a dream but is there much more work/$$$ involved in going ej turbo?
Any ideas or thoughts appreciated.
>1 Does anyone know of any engineers that could ok the conversion in vic with roughly how much $
If it's an EJ20 it should be pretty easy, if you go EJ22 you will need certificate. As others have said, EJ22's are getting pretty old now and may need similar work to your EA82.
>2 Where's a good place to get a half cut or engine gb/comp/loom from.
I'd try for either a low-km local wreck or write-off from an auction. You get the full loom, etc, and most of the parts for 5-stud conversion (see next point).
>3 Do the brakes need upgrading for a ej22?
Damn right they do, I'd seriously consider 5 stud but at a minimum RX rear discs.
>4 Maybe a dream but is there much more work/$$$ involved in going ej turbo?
I'll leave this to one of the Turbo boys. I guess you're adding more complexity to the system and the question becomes will you need it (an EJ is going to give you a lot more power than your tired EA82).
Dean.
If it's an EJ20 it should be pretty easy, if you go EJ22 you will need certificate. As others have said, EJ22's are getting pretty old now and may need similar work to your EA82.
>2 Where's a good place to get a half cut or engine gb/comp/loom from.
I'd try for either a low-km local wreck or write-off from an auction. You get the full loom, etc, and most of the parts for 5-stud conversion (see next point).
>3 Do the brakes need upgrading for a ej22?
Damn right they do, I'd seriously consider 5 stud but at a minimum RX rear discs.
>4 Maybe a dream but is there much more work/$$$ involved in going ej turbo?
I'll leave this to one of the Turbo boys. I guess you're adding more complexity to the system and the question becomes will you need it (an EJ is going to give you a lot more power than your tired EA82).
Dean.
1989 Brumby - Shiny new red paint, stroked EJ20 phase 2 SOHC with Darton sleeves bored to EJ22, Wiseco high-compression pistons, Delta 2000 grind cams , EJ/XT6 5 stud with WRX 4/2 pots, 5-speed, 86 GTS seats and so much more.
Contact me for reproduction XT6 hubs...and EA82 rear discs.
Contact me for reproduction XT6 hubs...and EA82 rear discs.
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Cant answer any questions above, but one thing I can tell you is that there is a lot power difference between EA82 vs EJ22.. If you do EJ22 conversion you need disc bec its like "having V8 with 6 Cylinder drum brakes!"
Another thing, getting 2nd hand good engine (either EA or EJ) from Jollys in Dandenong is just under $200 but you'll have to pull out yourself.
Also Jolly has EJ16 & 18 there as well sitting in Imprezas.
Cheers
AP
Another thing, getting 2nd hand good engine (either EA or EJ) from Jollys in Dandenong is just under $200 but you'll have to pull out yourself.
Also Jolly has EJ16 & 18 there as well sitting in Imprezas.
Cheers
AP
Subarus that I have/had:
1995 Liberty "Rallye" - 5MT AWD, LSD - *written off 25/8/06 in towing accident.
1996 Liberty Wagon - SkiFX AWD 5MT D/R, Lifted.. Outback Sway Bar, 1.59:1 Low Gearing see thread: 1.59:1 in EJ Box Page
Sold at 385,000kms in July 2011.
2007 Liberty BP Wagon, 2.5i automatic
1995 Liberty "Rallye" - 5MT AWD, LSD - *written off 25/8/06 in towing accident.
1996 Liberty Wagon - SkiFX AWD 5MT D/R, Lifted.. Outback Sway Bar, 1.59:1 Low Gearing see thread: 1.59:1 in EJ Box Page
Sold at 385,000kms in July 2011.
2007 Liberty BP Wagon, 2.5i automatic
- AlpineRaven
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heath wrote:me an my mate just ripped out a full conversion for my car at jollys. an ej2.2 and it cost me 480. the most expensive part was the cat. this included the box and clutch
Was that from white Liberty?
Cheers
AP
Subarus that I have/had:
1995 Liberty "Rallye" - 5MT AWD, LSD - *written off 25/8/06 in towing accident.
1996 Liberty Wagon - SkiFX AWD 5MT D/R, Lifted.. Outback Sway Bar, 1.59:1 Low Gearing see thread: 1.59:1 in EJ Box Page
Sold at 385,000kms in July 2011.
2007 Liberty BP Wagon, 2.5i automatic
1995 Liberty "Rallye" - 5MT AWD, LSD - *written off 25/8/06 in towing accident.
1996 Liberty Wagon - SkiFX AWD 5MT D/R, Lifted.. Outback Sway Bar, 1.59:1 Low Gearing see thread: 1.59:1 in EJ Box Page
Sold at 385,000kms in July 2011.
2007 Liberty BP Wagon, 2.5i automatic
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Dave,
I spoke to Gee (Bratgeebah) - he's got an EA82 wrapped up under his bench that's a waste of space. Message him on the forum and I'm sure its yours - could be a good engine to get you by for now.
Also while your at it flush/have radiator checked, if this is partically blocked it will cause you trouble and potentially another blown headgasket...
Cheers
Bennie
I spoke to Gee (Bratgeebah) - he's got an EA82 wrapped up under his bench that's a waste of space. Message him on the forum and I'm sure its yours - could be a good engine to get you by for now.
Also while your at it flush/have radiator checked, if this is partically blocked it will cause you trouble and potentially another blown headgasket...
Cheers
Bennie
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So you got the gearbox, EJ22, exhaust from EJ22 to the joint after the cat, clutch for $480? Did you get any wiring with that - the loom and computer?heath wrote:me an my mate just ripped out a full conversion for my car at jollys. an ej2.2 and it cost me 480. the most expensive part was the cat. this included the box and clutch
If you got all of the above for $480 including the loom and computer I can't wait for that pay packet/series of pay packets that allows me to do this...
Cheers
Bennie
Thanks for all the replies
I do have another car to use atm so it seems like a good time for a conversion.
I'll go check out jolly rodger's soon just to get some idea of what they have and I need to grab. A write off or half cut seems like a good idea too, Id like to go awd at the same time. The ej20 seems like a good size motor not needing an engineers cert.
The crossbread conversion would be great but id rather keep costs down, Ive only just had all the suspension replaced with the kyb/kings and spent a bit of money getting it how it is, and dont really want to have to buy it all again. Im guessing if I can get some rx front and rear brakes it'll be good enough. Then again I guess it depends on cost, if I get a write off/half cut It could work out relatively cheap to adapt lib ones with the crossbread.
Another question are 4.11 or 4.44 ratio's common? what subarus would usually have them?
I do have another car to use atm so it seems like a good time for a conversion.
I'll go check out jolly rodger's soon just to get some idea of what they have and I need to grab. A write off or half cut seems like a good idea too, Id like to go awd at the same time. The ej20 seems like a good size motor not needing an engineers cert.
The crossbread conversion would be great but id rather keep costs down, Ive only just had all the suspension replaced with the kyb/kings and spent a bit of money getting it how it is, and dont really want to have to buy it all again. Im guessing if I can get some rx front and rear brakes it'll be good enough. Then again I guess it depends on cost, if I get a write off/half cut It could work out relatively cheap to adapt lib ones with the crossbread.
Another question are 4.11 or 4.44 ratio's common? what subarus would usually have them?
I think a really cheap, simple and quick conversion would be an EJ20 or 22. Keep your radiator, use an adapter plate to keep the EA gearbox, use the headers on the EJ engine and have an exhaust place mate it to the L series exhaust. Keep the fuel system pretty simple and just use a VL style pump with EFI spec hose + return line. Get the ECU+loom with the EJ engine and wire it up to the L series. Scott at Straight Torque in Doncaster did a great job wiring mine up.
Anything turbo or bigger than an EJ22 and you would need a bigger radiator, better fuel system inc surge tank etc, and you would probably want to go a cat back exhaust. None of which you can really get out of cheaply or without doing a bit of work.
Anything turbo or bigger than an EJ22 and you would need a bigger radiator, better fuel system inc surge tank etc, and you would probably want to go a cat back exhaust. None of which you can really get out of cheaply or without doing a bit of work.
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Not sure the RX discs would make much difference, as most of the braking power is directed at the front anyhow. It's also worth keeping in mind that drums can often have a more effective stopping power because they have a much larger surface area than disks. The problem is they (drums) don't dissipate heat well so fade quickly, hence disks are better for repeated applications. Drums are also more affected by water than disks.dfoyl wrote: >3 Do the brakes need upgrading for a ej22?
Damn right they do, I'd seriously consider 5 stud but at a minimum RX rear discs.
Your brake requirements will very much depend on your driving style.
Out of interest, is there much difference in the weight of the EA and EJ series engines? From the pictures I've seen, they actually look smaller.....
Subaru RX Turbo (engine out AGAIN!)
Ford XF Panelvan EEC-IV (rusting)
Ford Escort RS1800 GP4 (in pieces)
Van Diemen RF89 (Sold, finished and racing)
Softride Powerwing 650 (working fine)
Ford XF Panelvan EEC-IV (rusting)
Ford Escort RS1800 GP4 (in pieces)
Van Diemen RF89 (Sold, finished and racing)
Softride Powerwing 650 (working fine)
yes EJ's weigh a fairbit more.
I perosnally dont think brakes need to be upgraded from ea82 to ej22. Mine cope just fine as is. Its more cornering that i struggle with(especially after getting out of a lowered liberty)
alex
I perosnally dont think brakes need to be upgraded from ea82 to ej22. Mine cope just fine as is. Its more cornering that i struggle with(especially after getting out of a lowered liberty)
alex
my07 Outback
my13 Hyundai i45(shhhh)
my02 Gen3 Liberty limited ed.
previously
L-series wagon, LSD, EJ20turbo, 29in tyres, 'wanky wagon'
2000 gen3 outback, lifted, otherwise stock.
my13 Hyundai i45(shhhh)
my02 Gen3 Liberty limited ed.
previously
L-series wagon, LSD, EJ20turbo, 29in tyres, 'wanky wagon'
2000 gen3 outback, lifted, otherwise stock.
Found this on a soob aircraft site:
Subaru engine weights
EJ18 170 lbs
EA81 135
EA82 155
EJ22 185
EJ25 210
ER27 250
EG33 300
Long block - no ancillaries
Subaru engine weights
EJ18 170 lbs
EA81 135
EA82 155
EJ22 185
EJ25 210
ER27 250
EG33 300
Long block - no ancillaries
Subaru RX Turbo (engine out AGAIN!)
Ford XF Panelvan EEC-IV (rusting)
Ford Escort RS1800 GP4 (in pieces)
Van Diemen RF89 (Sold, finished and racing)
Softride Powerwing 650 (working fine)
Ford XF Panelvan EEC-IV (rusting)
Ford Escort RS1800 GP4 (in pieces)
Van Diemen RF89 (Sold, finished and racing)
Softride Powerwing 650 (working fine)
not the compute and loom my mate brought me them for my birthday present.El_Freddo wrote:So you got the gearbox, EJ22, exhaust from EJ22 to the joint after the cat, clutch for $480? Did you get any wiring with that - the loom and computer?
If you got all of the above for $480 including the loom and computer I can't wait for that pay packet/series of pay packets that allows me to do this...
Cheers
Bennie
and it was outta the marron liberty the one with the rs bonet scoope
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Its not necessarily about effectiveness - for an engineer's cert or fitting of the EJ20 you might find that you need to match the brakes of the donor vehicle the engine comes from... The RX discs are the easiest option for this if you can find a set. You'd have to check it out with vic roads.r00fi wrote:Not sure the RX discs would make much difference, as most of the braking power is directed at the front anyhow. It's also worth keeping in mind that drums can often have a more effective stopping power because they have a much larger surface area than disks. The problem is they (drums) don't dissipate heat well so fade quickly, hence disks are better for repeated applications. Drums are also more affected by water than disks.
Heath, do you know how much the loom cost as your birthday present? If you don't mind sharing...
Cheers
Bennie
Dam I wrote a reply yesterday but must have forgotten to post it before I turned the computer off, in the rush to go home
Thanks again for the replies, will go and check out jolly rodgers soon and look for 2litre motors.
Venom thanks, sounds like a good cheap advice.
As for the brakes I haven't had any fade driving around the hills where I live, I think the standard one's will be fine. As for driving style , ive only had 1 speeding fine in 12 yrs, so I dont really drive like a jerk .
If I was going to do the brakes it'd go the fronts first. I know old vw's benifit a fair bit from putting rear disc's due to the rear engine design.
Thanks again for the replies, will go and check out jolly rodgers soon and look for 2litre motors.
Venom thanks, sounds like a good cheap advice.
As for the brakes I haven't had any fade driving around the hills where I live, I think the standard one's will be fine. As for driving style , ive only had 1 speeding fine in 12 yrs, so I dont really drive like a jerk .
If I was going to do the brakes it'd go the fronts first. I know old vw's benifit a fair bit from putting rear disc's due to the rear engine design.
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daveosubi wrote:Dam I wrote a reply yesterday but must have forgotten to post it before I turned the computer off, in the rush to go home
Thanks again for the replies, will go and check out jolly rodgers soon and look for 2litre motors.
Venom thanks, sounds like a good cheap advice.
As for the brakes I haven't had any fade driving around the hills where I live, I think the standard one's will be fine. As for driving style , ive only had 1 speeding fine in 12 yrs, so I dont really drive like a jerk .
If I was going to do the brakes it'd go the fronts first. I know old vw's benifit a fair bit from putting rear disc's due to the rear engine design.
How did you go at Jollys?
Cheers
AP
Subarus that I have/had:
1995 Liberty "Rallye" - 5MT AWD, LSD - *written off 25/8/06 in towing accident.
1996 Liberty Wagon - SkiFX AWD 5MT D/R, Lifted.. Outback Sway Bar, 1.59:1 Low Gearing see thread: 1.59:1 in EJ Box Page
Sold at 385,000kms in July 2011.
2007 Liberty BP Wagon, 2.5i automatic
1995 Liberty "Rallye" - 5MT AWD, LSD - *written off 25/8/06 in towing accident.
1996 Liberty Wagon - SkiFX AWD 5MT D/R, Lifted.. Outback Sway Bar, 1.59:1 Low Gearing see thread: 1.59:1 in EJ Box Page
Sold at 385,000kms in July 2011.
2007 Liberty BP Wagon, 2.5i automatic