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As I had another look at the pic's I'd taken of this example : BRZ 070



A thought came into my head ... ... Wouldn't this be an ideal transplant package for the Brumby ? ...

( Package meaning: Engine, Gear Box, Drive Line, Brakes, Suspension, Wiring + possibly dash )

Hmm, I think more info' is needed on this one though ... ... Any one else had the same notions ?

Also we would have to wait 'till they start turning up in the wreckers yard, etc ...

So it's just a thought for now ...

P.S. - What other Subaru 'models' do you think this package can go into ?

a few years time maybe.... that is of course the brumbys arent rusted out by that stage

And no doubt that the ECU will be incorporated into every other electrical in the car, most likely sprouting a BCM and running CANBUS, an auto electricians nightmare.

If I were to go to that much trouble, Id get one of the diesels from a new Forester or Outback and whack that in the Brumby

Gannon wrote:no doubt that the ECU will be incorporated into every other electrical in the car, most likely sprouting a BCM and running CANBUS, an auto electricians nightmare.

I hate that shit! Such a waste in the "recycling" community such as ourselves!

I think you're getting "a little" ahead of yourself there Bantum! Personally, if it could be done I'd go for a H6 brumby, that'd be off it's tits! Otherwise it'd be what Gannon's said above or the tried and tested WRX drivetrain swap

Cheers

Bennie

If you were really keen you could run it off a good aftermarket computer and if it only has to meet a Brumbys era emissions standards a good tuner should be able to get it to pass . Need similar to OE exhaust and cat/s though .

BRZs are not going to be cheap or easy because they are current cars .

Single cam per bank EJ20 much easier .

A .

sadly, the emissions of the donor engine are supposed to remain with it in retrofits. I reckon things might be better if someone came up with a reinforced tub kit with trace paper to apply to a Forester, cut along the lines, bolt here, there and everywghere and hey presto! a Forester ute ! No welding just modern glue assembly methods, rivets and bolts .

thunder039 wrote:... that is of course the brumbys arent rusted out by that stage

Or spare parts start getting harder to find ...

Gannon wrote: ... And no doubt that the ECU will be incorporated into every other electrical in the car, most likely sprouting a BCM and running CANBUS, an auto electricians nightmare...

Unfortunate, but that's the way every thing is heading nowadays ...

Gannon wrote:... If I were to go to that much trouble, Id get one of the diesels from a new Forester or Outback and whack that in the Brumby...

Yea, I had thought of that too ... Although I'm waiting untill some other bunny has done the job first so that I can learn from their experience.

El_Freddo wrote: ... I think you're getting "a little" ahead of yourself there Bantum! Personally, if it could be done I'd go for a H6 brumby, that'd be off it's tits! Otherwise it'd be what Gannon's said above or the tried and tested WRX drivetrain swap ...

I did say at the outset that this was only an Idea ... ... Had also thought of the H6, however it would require a lot re-enginering to make it fit in the Brumby, as it is a much bigger beast ( From my understanding it take's up radiator & floor space with a bigger gear box, etc ) but it has been done before in a MY wagon I think...

discopotato03 wrote: ... If it only has to meet a Brumbys era emissions standards ...

steptoe wrote:... sadly, the emissions of the donor engine are supposed to remain with it in retrofits ...

These two contradict each other, which is it ? ...

steptoe wrote:... I reckon things might be better if someone came up with a reinforced tub kit with trace paper to apply to a Forester, cut along the lines, bolt here, there and everywghere and hey presto! a Forester ute ! No welding just modern glue assembly methods, rivets and bolts ...

Hah, I like the idea - but not sure if it would work in practice ...

quit dreaming!

Bantum wrote: These two contradict each other, which is it ? ...

Both !!

You must meet the emissions regulations for the body and the engine.

So if you put a 2012 engine in a 1980's car then it must meet the 2012 regs.

If you put a 1980's engine in a 2012 car then it must still meet the 2012 regs.

In other words it must meet the regulations of whichever one is newer.

niterida wrote: ... it must meet the regulations of whichever one is newer ...

Ahh ... That's what I thought too, thank's niterida ...

When I was looking over the beast, I noticed that the intake manifold appears to be made of some sort of plastic, can anybody confirm this ?



I also checked out the underside ...



Interesting ...

Yeah the intake manifold is made from a fibre reinforced resin, a little better than plastic and Subaru have been using it for 10 years now. It first appeared in the 2003 EZ30 of the Gen4 Liberty/Outback

Undertray would be for reduced wind drag

BRZ engine into an rwd / awd EA81 coupe sounds good to me... 147kW in a body 300 kg lighter than a BRZ.

Remember this from the USA? EJ motor to toyota transmission

I'm sure it would cost way less in the long run and everything is already available to make a subi RWD. you could even use this bellhousing in conjuction with a toyota transfer case to make a very low, low range.

TOONGA

Alex wrote:... quit dreaming! ...

Ha, Never ! - I was re-reading posts on here & that one snuck through ...

Where would the world be with out the dreamers ? ( 'The Castle' comes to mind here )

Gannon wrote:... Yeah the intake manifold is made from a fibre reinforced resin, a little better than plastic and Subaru have been using it for 10 years now. It first appeared in the 2003 EZ30 of the Gen4 Liberty/Outback ...

Interesting, I wonder how well they hold up over time to temp, UV etc - It appears to be a trend for more composite materails ...

Gannon wrote:... Undertray would be for reduced wind drag ...

No shit Sherlock, I was more commenting on the scaloped sides ...

dfoyl wrote: ... BRZ engine into an rwd / awd EA81 coupe sounds good to me... 147kW in a body 300 kg lighter than a BRZ ...

This is all a possiblity, but it would still require some engineering to achieve ...

TOONGA wrote: ... Remember this from the USA? EJ motor to toyota transmission ...

No, but I went & had a look, interesting work he's got going there, I'm not sure I'd want to go that far at this time ...

TOONGA wrote: ... I'm sure it would cost way less in the long run and everything is already available to make a subi RWD. you could even use this bellhousing in conjuction with a toyota transfer case to make a very low, low range ...

Yeah each to their own, non committal to this & as I stated prevoiusly, we're only dreaming here ...

Bit of a hangover there Bantum?



TOONGA

Sounds' like it would be easier to modify the BRZ into a modern Brumby - I'd buy one!
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TOONGA wrote: ... Bit of a hangover there Bantum ? ...

Ha - Sadly no I'm sorry to say, but I did get sidetracked by this ...



More here : Merkuru ... Note : Spoiler Alert - This is a long thread ...

Just spent the last few hours reading this epic build & wow, not sure I'd want to do it - but I like it ...

60766244 wrote:

Yeah - I sort of like your idea, but it does need a bit more thought in how to deal with rear end & B pillar does'nt quite look right ...



There might bee a wee problem with the lights & width of opening ...

Also goes for depth of floor :



With a strange half step for spare ...

P.S. - Here are some more underside shots of the BRZ :

Up front there's not much to see :



Nice rear end setup :



Might be that a bit of experimention is required to see if the rear tray & shell of Brumby body could be grafted somehow to the BRZ ?

It would look a bit odd though ...

Cheers, Bantum ...