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1993 L series Air con issue
Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 8:04 pm
by zuba
I have just started to try and sort out my inop a/c issue.
The a/c turns on but only blows hot (used to work) so I suspected a gas leak. I had it regassed with dye and it did work but the second fan didn't turn on when the compressor comes on. I have checked and there is no power going to the second fan but when I wired it up direct to the battery it worked fine.
Checked the workshop manual but it does not appear to have anything on the a/c system.
Anyone know where the second fan might be getting its power from or if there is a second relay somewhere for it?
Cheers
Melbourne weather sucks.......
Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 12:25 pm
by El_Freddo
G'day Zuba,
Sometimes the thermo fans will come on in a staggered or staged setup if the engine is not up to temperature - check it out with the engine up to temp after a short run (or a long one if you've got a trip on the go) - pop the bonnet with the AC on and both fans should be in operation.
The staggered thing occurs on Sunnie the Brumby.
Also, come to think of it all L series are fitted with a mechanical fan and an electric thermo fan. Someone may have removed the mechanical fan and fitted an aftermarket thermo fan. I'd be looking into the wiring that controls this fan and see where it's trigger/switch is and check out the general condition of the wiring. Also check for any auxiliary fuses as it could have blown a fuse.
Does the AC work now that it's regassed?
Cheers
Bennie
Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:07 pm
by zuba
Yes a/c blows cold but turns off after a short period. (Tested at normal operating temp) second fan looks all factory fit with factory plugs into loom. Tried running car to see what would happen after a period and it just got hot with the second fan failing to cut in.
Wouldn't know where u could find a manual for this setup?
Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:39 pm
by El_Freddo
Try tracking the wiring of that second fan to see where it ends up. Also check all your fuses.
You could look for a manual, but I'm not sure where to look for an L series FSM. I know where you can find a liberty FSM but that's not going to help out unless we're actually talking about a liberty.
What engine are you running and is it stock? Got pics of the radiator/fan setup?
Also check the connection plugs for corrosion and a good connection - they could look plugged in but if one of the pins is pushed back into the plug it's not going to do squat for the fan.
Many things to look into on this one - just need to knock them over one by one until we hit it on the head.
Cheers
Bennie
Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 5:34 pm
by tambox
With an L series, both fans should run when the A/C is on, they may have different controllers or they may be commoned.
Tracing the non op fan wiring is the simplest way to work out why it no go.
There are variances in the way the A/C is wired, between models, 93 should have a straight forward control system, I will PM you about a wiring diagram.
Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:00 pm
by Gannon
Can you post a photo of both fans?
Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:02 pm
by zuba
The engine and ac is all factory. I have power running out of the harness plug when checked with multimeter to negative wire in plug and body earths. I have an operational fan when wired direct to battery.
When I plug in the fan to the loom and the ac running the power disappears and the fan does not work.
Traced the fan wire to main junction but kind of lost from there.
Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 8:06 pm
by steptoe
aw shoot, are these fans fed constant pos + power and the neg - is on the switch ? Might be cause of your power disappearing !
The heat does suck, but so too does the AC - made my L forget it had a turbo !
Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 9:01 pm
by tambox
Going by the 90 Subaru manual, it shows only one electric fan.
This connected to the loom with a blue/red wire = +ve all the time from fuse 15 , ign on.
The other wire is yellow/white, this is a switched earth, through the thermoswitch and radiator fan relay.
The second fan would be interfaced to this somehow.
Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:43 pm
by Silverbullet
Is there a thermo switch in the radiator that could be faulty? I guess not if you say you get power through the loom but fan still doesn't work

Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 7:43 pm
by zuba
Thanks heaps everyone for the help. So far I have swapped the air cond and thermo fan relays and both work ok.
There is a gremlin in there somewhere. Haven't tested the thermo fan switch as yet but having the 90 model schematic will help. Thanks again
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:00 pm
by RSR 555
On the L.Series without A/C the car has 1 engine/viscous fan and one electric fan. The electric fan is connected to a thermo switch on the radiator and only comes on when the engine reaches the right temp. When A/C kit is fitted (not all L.Series come to Aus with A/C but Subaru had a complete kit that dealers would fit to vehicles) the viscous fan was removed and an extra electric fan was fitted. The original electric fan wiring had a connection joint that was broken then a joiner loom was fitted when A/C was installed. The override/joiner loom that joins in between the original wiring was part of the A/C wiring loom if it is a factory supplied kit.
Hope this makes sense?
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:50 pm
by Gannon
My L series had A/C and the viscous fan and 1 electric fan
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:39 pm
by Silverbullet
Gannon wrote:My L series had A/C and the viscous fan and 1 electric fan
+1 same here for Dads L, if some of them were dealer fitted I could see there being quite a few differences between years. Also Dads L has similar symptoms with the electric fan not coming on when the A/C button is pushed, only started doing it this summer. Whole system must be on the way out it hasn't been checked over/serviced in 10 years or more and the compressor is making a hell of a racket

Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 1:21 am
by RSR 555
Gannon wrote:My L series had A/C and the viscous fan and 1 electric fan
Sorry.. yes I was thinking of MY series
The joiner loom was in the L.Series and should be connected to the thermo switch. It overrides the contacts of the thermo switch and makes the electric fan come on whether the engine is hot or not.
Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 3:05 pm
by El_Freddo
Gannon wrote:My L series had A/C and the viscous fan and 1 electric fan
I've got three L's the same
RSR 555 wrote:Sorry.. yes I was thinking of MY series

Thought as much!
Zuba, have you looked into this any further?
Cheers
Bennie