2010 Forester Diesel Dash Lights On

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Post by RSR 555 » Wed May 02, 2018 11:19 am

pitrack_1 wrote:Sorry to hear that happened to you. Yes torque keeps running if it is just minimised/home-buttoned. Sometimes it keeps communicating (OK) or sometimes it suspends comms (not OK as might try to relatch at the wrong speed)...I think. It might have to do with logging, only keeping communicating if logging whilst not on screen. I thought there's an option to change this somewhere but can't find it.
Yeah, hers was not only "minimised" but also swiped to close/shut it down but clearly this wasn't enough.. lesson learnt I'm guessing.
pitrack_1 wrote:Could I suggest you report this to Torque? I didn't report mine at the time, if I did so now tey'd argue newer versions are out, etc. Yours is a recent version with a recent device installed recently.
Can do. According to app info, I'm running 1.8.199 I'm guessing that is the latest?
pitrack_1 wrote:Yes, me too. What I suspect happens with others is either the bluetooth part continuously draws current, or the OBD-II dongle keeps the car's computers from shutting down and they drain the battery.
No expert on ECUs but I'm going to assume the OBD port only allows access to the ECU's ROM chip and shouldn't have any commands over powering the ECU, only the ignition key turned to the 'ON' position will keep the ECU powered.
pitrack_1 wrote:With the cheap 'copycat' devices the password is usually "0000" or "1234" (if enforced at all) and the BT ID no is often a generic one. I'm not au fait with Bluetooth hacking or connection, but it is perhaps possible someone could connect/read out your device if left plugged in. It's not impossible...in fact I would say quite possible that if 'they' could connect to your device first and have the appropriate software they could do all sorts of mischief...like reprogram out your keys. See "CAR AUTOMATION with your Android Phone: OBDLink LX" on the Tube-of-U.

Note there is no security required here: no password, no confirmation, no encryption, nothing. As long as a device connects and communicates appropriately, it can not only getr readouts but issue commands.
Yeah I'm not au fait with them either but from what I have experienced, if my bluetooth device (tablet or phone) is connected (and never disconnected) to the bluetooth OBDII device, then no other bluetooth device can connect to my bluetooth dongle.
pitrack_1 wrote:You don't actually even need that, cars with wifi repeaters/hotspots installed have been found to be vulnerable to hacking through that- you could interfere with the car's software/programming. Think of how many cars you know of have firewalls, malware detectors, virus scanners installed and how often they are updated!
See for example "Hackers Remotely Kill a Jeep on the Highway—With Me in It" again on the Tube-of-U. Note the brakes are disabled remotely at one point and the car rolls into a ditch...with the helpless driver inside. Plenty of other links too.
Thank god I don't use icrap products. I cannot see this happening with bluetooth connected devices.
pitrack_1 wrote:Makes me want to go back to the 70's... at least if (sorry, when) your Leyland broke down, IT broke
down, not someone broke it down by breaking into it electronically...:mrgreen:
Classic old P76 or Mini which are now collectables. Pretty much fixable with a test light and a few tools.
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Post by pitrack_1 » Thu May 03, 2018 1:39 am

RSR 555 wrote:Yeah, hers was not only "minimised" but also swiped to close/shut it down but clearly this wasn't enough.. lesson learnt I'm guessing.
Good thing I warned you, eh!
RSR 555 wrote:Can do. According to app info, I'm running 1.8.199 I'm guessing that is the latest?
Yes as far as I can see. Here is the Torque changelog page. Note the next release (beta 1.8.202) will log the 'events' (fault codes) in a separate file- should be useful.

RSR 555 wrote:No expert on ECUs but I'm going to assume the OBD port only allows access to the ECU's ROM chip and shouldn't have any commands over powering the ECU, only the ignition key turned to the 'ON' position will keep the ECU powered.
Actually generally it shouldn't be accessing the "ROM" (Read Only Memory) ços that's where the programming is stored. The OBD-II should be accessing the various parameter variables stored in RAM that constantly change. And yes, these should be "readback-only" although you may be able to program (write) them through proprietary protocols.

However as the OBD-II port is mandated and set up in every car since ~2004 in Oz (and earlier O/S) and OBD-II only specifies a certain number of the pins for its use across several protocols, naturally the manufacturers used the already supplied port using the other pins for their own proprietary comms. Alternatively they can use different protocols/speeds on the same pins so long as it doesn't interfere with the OBD-II data.

Because the manufacturer can access the car, your appropriate software and hardware (your Snap-On scantool for example) will access these proprietary protocols so far as it is able. These give access to all the modules in the car and usually allow reprogramming, modification, ROM flashing/upgrades, etc. It is quite possible to 'brick' your car electronically if you do the wrong thing! See for example for Subaru Scoobyrom and romraider, both of which I never got into.
RSR 555 wrote:Yeah I'm not au fait with them either but from what I have experienced, if my bluetooth device (tablet or phone) is connected (and never disconnected) to the bluetooth OBDII device, then no other bluetooth device can connect to my bluetooth dongle.

I agree it is unlikely that the bluetooth OBDII dongle will allow more than one connection (not sure though) but other Bluetooth devices can and do...including car ones. I have had both my phone and tablet connected to my Jabra standalone unit in my older Mazda 3(phone for, well, phone and tablet for music relay through FM to the stereo) and I think I've had the tablet/phone combo again connected to my newer Mazda 3's head unit.
RSR 555 wrote:Thank god I don't use icrap products. I cannot see this happening with bluetooth connected devices.
If by icrap you mean Apple devices, then I don't like them either :grin: BUT firstly they do run Bluetooth and secondly the generally are more tightly controlled than Android devices. Bluetooth is merely a data communications protocol/method between devices just like wifi. What is transmitted across it depends entirely on the devices/applications using it. The main issue with wireless protocols is they enable you to access something without physical access. So if there is a security flaw in a system then someone could access the vehicle without actually gaining physical access to the vehicle. Also they can execulte the wireless equivalent of identity fraud- listen to your communications and 'spoof' (imitate) them, hijacking your communications. Not that I think this is likely unless the KGB/FBI/worse is after you!

Also remember that cars do have to be 'on' all the time now to a certain extent- for example they must 'listen' for the remote fob transmissions to unlock the car. They must monitor other functions. For example, our Mazda 2 runs various motors after stopping & locking dependent on what's hot- one is the cooling fans, the other is (I think) a transmission cooler pump after I've caned the car around the local hilly area.
RSR 555 wrote: Classic old P76 or Mini which are now collectables. Pretty much fixable with a test light and a few tools.
I'd like a Dolomite Sprint myself. Noticed a couple on gumtree in WA recently too.
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Post by RSR 555 » Fri May 25, 2018 8:41 pm

pitrack_1 wrote:If by icrap you mean Apple devices, then I don't like them either :grin:
Hi again Patrick :) well I knew this would happen. My friend has an issue with his 2017 Diesel Outback and guess what his phone is :( So, is there any difference in the setup? Or can I follow the same as what we did for my setup?
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Re: 2010 Forester Diesel Dash Lights On

Post by rodmcdonald » Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:10 pm

Having similar issues with my 2010 Outback Diesel. What tool will allow me to perform the forced regeneration at home?

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Re: 2010 Forester Diesel Dash Lights On

Post by TOONGA » Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:48 am

rodmcdonald wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:10 pm
Having similar issues with my 2010 Outback Diesel. What tool will allow me to perform the forced regeneration at home?
A good quality code reader with a regen function most cost over 2k second hand.

or something like this

https://store.autel.com.au/autel-maxich ... l_p39.html

what ever you get has to be canbus and Subaru compatible, the example linked is not.

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Re: 2010 Forester Diesel Dash Lights On

Post by TOONGA » Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:50 am

rodmcdonald wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:10 pm
Having similar issues with my 2010 Outback Diesel. What tool will allow me to perform the forced regeneration at home?
apparently this scanner works with Subarus

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/OBD2-Scanne ... 3891795296 , just under $75

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