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EA82 carbie fuel pump control module

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 1:52 pm
by GOD
Because the EJ22 ECU still refuses to switch the fuel pump, I'm trying to use the original L Series fuel pump control box. It switches on with the ignition, but then cuts off after a few seconds, presumably because it isn't getting an "engine running" signal from the EA82 wiring (which is now all rolled up and tucked away inside a mudguard).

Anyone know what this module uses to work out that the engine is running, and where I can find it? Hoping it's as simple as powering or grounding one wire, or else the car might just develop a fuel leak and a stray spark.

Dane.

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 2:09 pm
by TOONGA
you need to find your fuel pump relay and either bypass it or wire it so it thinks it is getting a constant signal from the engine (distributor)

Image

this might help pin 6 wire colour LB

TOONGA

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 2:30 pm
by GOD
What book is that page from? It looks like that Pin 6 is the one the EJ ECU is supposed to ground to start the fuel pump, and that's what doesn't work on my car.

Dane.

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 2:44 pm
by TOONGA
it is from the mythical L series FSM that T'subaru owns. I know in my brumby the relay is behind the passenger seat be hind the plastic that hides the shell of the car (if that makes any sense)

the jpeg comes from this thread

showthread.php?t=18159

TOONGA

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 2:48 pm
by GOD
Yep, I know where the fuel pump relay is (under the dash on my car, up above the driver's side kick panel), the hard part is finding the wire I need to make it see that the engine is running. You mentioned distributor - that's probably what I'm looking for.

Dane.

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 2:55 pm
by TOONGA
I reallise now that the mpfi 89 Lseries ecu is no good for a carby engined car the gregorys manual showthread.php?p=150909#post150909 (if you don't have a hard copy) section 17.2 has the wiring diagrams for the L series carby motor

TOONGA

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 5:53 pm
by steptoe
dizzy or coil? We use a coil reading to tell things engine is now running in LPG stuff called a tachometric relay and it is what you could use quite easily and cheaply. They are about $30 or less, provide a primer power supply for starting and will cut out after about three seconds if coil connection does not signal it engine is cranking or running.

Peel instruments in SA have a website a bit like peelinstruments.com.au ?

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:01 pm
by RSR 555
steptoe wrote:dizzy or coil? We use a coil reading to tell things engine is now running in LPG stuff called a tachometric relay and it is what you could use quite easily and cheaply. They are about $30 or less, provide a primer power supply for starting and will cut out after about three seconds if coil connection does not signal it engine is cranking or running.

Peel instruments in SA have a website a bit like peelinstruments.com.au ?
Bingo :mrgreen:

Like Jonno says.. it runs off the coil.. when the dizzy starts spinning (and pulsing) the fuel pump relay jumps in.. both Carby and EFI models have the priming circuit (about 5 secs) You'll need to find the wire from the negative side of the coil (also the same for the Tacho) and then grab a negative trigger from your Ignitor :)

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:05 pm
by steptoe
Yeah, think the EA82 ECU controls the power to the pump for start up and run. See what happens when you tinker with things...?

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:13 pm
by GOD
Reckon the that's in the car already must be very closely related to a tachometric relay.

Anyhow, I ended up doing a quick and dirty fix with the pumps switched straight off the ignition. Not perfect, but got the car running for the first time in months. Thanks for the tips fellas.

Dane.

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:13 pm
by RSR 555
Just for future reference, others that my read this post. Dane's (GOD) car was originally a Carby EA82 and has swapped the engine for a EJ22 (EFI) :mrgreen:

BTW.. how's the top end Dane?

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:18 pm
by GOD
Didn't see those last replies. Thanks Paul, that's exactly what I was after. But I suspect my temporary fix is going to remain there for some time - just drove the Subie out of the garage to make room for the "good" car that now needs work :rolleyes:

Dane.

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:21 pm
by RSR 555
No probs bud.. pics of the "good" car.. better be a Suby :rolleyes:

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:33 pm
by GOD
RSR 555 wrote:Just for future reference, others that my read this post. Dane's (GOD) car was originally a Carby EA82 and has swapped the engine for a EJ22 (EFI) :mrgreen:
Yeah, what he said.
BTW.. how's the top end Dane?
Yeah pretty good. Lots of places to explore. It's tough on cars though - seven flat tyres in less than six months, and assorted minor damage.

Dane.

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:36 pm
by GOD
RSR 555 wrote:No probs bud.. pics of the "good" car.. better be a Suby :rolleyes:
Ummm... it's white, it's Jap, it's four wheel drive, it has four cylinders and a turbo, and it's hard to get parts for up here. So it's just like a Subie :p

Dane.

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:25 pm
by RSR 555
GOD wrote:Ummm... it's white, it's Jap, it's four wheel drive, it has four cylinders and a turbo, and it's hard to get parts for up here. So it's just like a Subie :p

Dane.
As long as it's Toyota and Diesel then I'll forgive you :rolleyes:

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:01 pm
by TOONGA
glad to see you got it working Dane even if it is jury rigged to the ignition:)

TOONGA