EJ20 into EA82 Is it legal in NSW?

maddog · Post by **maddog** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:43 pm

Hi All,
I'd love to stick an EJ20 into my L - but has anyone done it in NSW?
What hoops do I have to jump through for rego?
Any Clues?
Thanks, Justin.

98choppa · Post by **98choppa** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:16 pm

im about to kick over the ej22 ive fitted in my L series, so id like a heads up for 'the law' side of things too

Smokey · Post by **Smokey** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:41 pm

From memory a gain of up to 10% is allowed in NSW, the so EJ20 is fine but the EJ22 is too large. This is why the EJ20G etc conversion is so popular in NSW. But don't quote me on it, someone must have done it on here. Search?

Suby Wan Kenobi · Post by **Suby Wan Kenobi** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:39 pm

EJ20 not a problem but you will still need engineering approval but i cant see why you would have much of an issue with an Ej22 anyway. You may have to swap to RX rear discs as a way to get it approved.

The Bigfella · Post by **The Bigfella** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:54 am

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/ ... v_2007.pdf

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:06 am

some good info in there. note the 1100 kg tare mass calculation an L could fall very close to one side or the other of this figure.

pollution ADR's are a concern wth some cars - like shoving a 350 Chev in a 78 Holden. The 350 is a known non complier with the ADR's concerning a 1978 build car and needs engineer certification even tho it fits in under the 15% capacity rules. However an EJ is not a backward step in engineering or pollution - just ensure that no pollution issues are left untidy, loose or disconnected ...for starters

Smokey · Post by **Smokey** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:34 am

Tare of an L touring wagon is 1100kg. Others might be the same or less. So its 15%. I read that chart re maximum engine size as allowing a 201 or 3.3L in an L? Its unfortunate that 1.8 + 15% still does not allow the EJ22.

Ben · Post by **Ben** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:56 pm

You don't need a cert in NSW for an EJ20, you do for a EJ22. Owner certified modifications include engine capacity increase of 15% and lift kits to 50mm. Read the bulletin posted by The Bigfella, it's all in there.

Owner certified’ minor modifications which can be accepted for registration purposes without formal
certification.

Examples of minor (owner certified) modifications are:
&#56256;&#56452; Engine changes where the capacity increase is less than 15% above the maximum size engine available for the
vehicle (providing no major structural modifications are necessary and where noise and/or exhaust emission
ADRs apply, all standard equipment such as carburettors, exhaust systems, exhaust gas recirculating valves,
oxygen sensors and catalytic convertors relating to noise and emission control are retained and operate
correctly).

Ben · Post by **Ben** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:59 pm

Smokey wrote:Tare of an L touring wagon is 1100kg. Others might be the same or less. So its 15%. I read that chart re maximum engine size as allowing a 201 or 3.3L in an L? Its unfortunate that 1.8 + 15% still does not allow the EJ22.

The tare weight is classed as the sedan version not the wagon with no fitted accessories. The tare calculations are for the maximum permissable engine capacity WITH an engineers certification. The 15% rule is for owner certification.

Smokey · Post by **Smokey** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 3:55 pm

Ben wrote:The tare weight is classed as the sedan version not the wagon with no fitted accessories. The tare calculations are for the maximum permissable engine capacity WITH an engineers certification. The 15% rule is for owner certification.

Ok so you can go up to 15% ie EJ20 without an engineer's cert, but with one the limit is 3.3L, so no 5.7L V8's in the L....

SUBYDAZZ · Post by **SUBYDAZZ** » Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:30 pm

Smokey wrote:Ok so you can go up to 15% ie EJ20 without an engineer's cert, but with one the limit is 3.3L, so no 5.7L V8's in the L....

except, as it says, for 4WDs!

98choppa · Post by **98choppa** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:05 am

sus!
can anyone give me a straight answer b4 i post another thread?

NA ej22 into Lseries 4wd in NSW?????

has anyone done it?--------------if so----
can it be registered with this engine swap?--------------if so------
did you have to change anything else or get it engineer certified?------if so--
what else is required to get it on the road?---------------thanx

also, do you feel that the power increase here demands any other modifications? ie brakes etc.(side airbags,abs,handling assist. hahaha)

p.s. sorry if im hijackin your thread maddog!

Suby Wan Kenobi · Post by **Suby Wan Kenobi** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:55 am

Ben has done the EJ20 conversion but of course in good ole NSW the best bet is to contact and Engineer in your area, when i was in NSW i used Humphries on the Central Coast, and see what his requirements are as he will be the one writing the certificate to say its all good

Ben · Post by **Ben** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:10 am

98choppa wrote:sus!
can anyone give me a straight answer b4 i post another thread?

NA ej22 into Lseries 4wd in NSW?????

has anyone done it?--------------if so----

Yes, this has been done before (I did EJ20) but others have done the 2.2.

98choppa wrote: can it be registered with this engine swap?--------------if so------

Yes, but that engine requires a certificate.

98choppa wrote: did you have to change anything else or get it engineer certified?------if so--
what else is required to get it on the road?---------------thanx

All ADR's of the donor engine need to be matched, plus any additional safety equipment needs to be included. Since your EJ22 will likely come from a 90ish liberty that means you will be required to fit at the very least rear discs. This would be a perfect time to do a 5 stud liberty brake upgrade though.

98choppa wrote: also, do you feel that the power increase here demands any other modifications? ie brakes etc.(side airbags,abs,handling assist. hahaha)

p.s. sorry if im hijackin your thread maddog!

My EJ20 (92kw, EJ22 is 100kw or 94kw depending on model) L series running 3.7 diffs and 27" BFG's would spin the tyres on a wet road in 3rd. It is insanely ****ing scary to be on the pacific highway pissing down with rain pulling third and hitting it to overtake and just hearing the engine rev out. If I ever do this brumby with the EJ20 then I will seriously think about the suspension set up which was never built to take that sort of power level, plus the braking of course.

Ben · Post by **Ben** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:11 am

Suby Wan Kenobi wrote:Ben has done the EJ20 conversion but of course in good ole NSW the best bet is to contact and Engineer in your area, when i was in NSW i used Humphries on the Central Coast, and see what his requirements are as he will be the one writing the certificate to say its all good

As it says in the RTA Bulletin, you should always conduct any certifiable modifications in conjunction with the engineering signatory, and you should see the signatory before beginning the modifications.

AndrewT · Post by **AndrewT** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:10 pm

Or u could just do it anyway like justabout everyone

Suby Wan Kenobi · Post by **Suby Wan Kenobi** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:33 pm

AndrewT wrote:Or u could just do it anyway like justabout everyone

Yeah you could do that but if you get pulled over by the wrong persons you could be walking a long way home and be very poor.

PeeJay · Post by **PeeJay** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:37 am

Suby Wan Kenobi wrote:Yeah you could do that but if you get pulled over by the wrong persons you could be walking a long way home and be very poor.

Not to mention insurance liabilities in the case of an accident!

I've done the EA82T to EJ20T swap and no certificate was needed. Which reminds me, I should email the RTA and ask what that "except 4WDs" clause means...

Suby Wan Kenobi · Post by **Suby Wan Kenobi** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:03 pm

[quote="PeeJay"]Not to mention insurance liabilities in the case of an accident! quote]

Yeah didnt really want to go there as it can get ugly being uninsurable

98choppa · Post by **98choppa** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:54 pm

FAD! (you can guess for yourself that abreviation)wherem i gonna get me some discs for the rear end?i mean whoes gonna sell me theyre rx parts really?!!?
i cant think of any joint round here whos wrecking a car like that ....

(i thinks that would be sufficient,the liberty had rather unsubstantial brakes to be honest)

anyone,,,anyone?