off road racing??

spike · Post by **spike** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:43 pm

so i'm interested into getting into something else.....

ideas??
i was thinking somthing more modern then the brumby of tennant creek racing (even though that car is amazing!!!) my idea was either a subaru forester or an outback/liberty wagon.
class would be (i think) 6, restricted 4wd maybe uprading to open in the future.
any thoughts guys??

spike · Post by **spike** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:43 am

no one has any ideas??
cmon guys i know there are lots of people on this forum

78sti · Post by **78sti** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:30 am

I have always wanted to run a forester xt in production class.

When I briefly looked at it you could upgrade engine internals, gearbox internals and suspension.

Meaning you could use a dog box and lots of parts designed for rally (front centre and rear diffs) as long as you dont increase the capacity of the motor!

I am sure that a well built motor and dog box could eaisly beat anything in this class on a flat road. But I am not sure how well the forester suspension will hold up? But with some well made struts it should be ok!

I think that if you bought a xt repairable riteoff from the auctions (considering the modifications this would be a cheap way to start!) You could build a very competitive car for around 30-50k depending on how much work you put in yourslef, But I am sure this could easily blow out as racing can be like throwing money into a bottomless pit!

This has been a dream of myne for many years but I dont think it will ever happen unless I win the lotto!

Cheers Troy

spike · Post by **spike** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:34 am

yeah im sure i can find one down at subareck, maybe some sponsor ship or somthing as a stolen recovery or blown engine and just build it from there using the parts they have.
yeah it could blow out big time but meh, if it gets close to that well then find another sponsor or put it in the shed.

78sti · Post by **78sti** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 2:34 pm

I just had a look at the cams manual and the things in the drivetrain that cannot be changes are the engine block manifold, gearbox case, flywheel (but material can be removed) and intercooler.
That allows you to build a very trick motor/gearbox the only limiting thing is the intercooler but maby you could add water spray to solve this?
As far as I can understand diffs are free so I would put in a STI r180 rear lsd and stronger driveshafts.
Suspension can be strengthened and mounts added for additional shocks but thats about it.
I think a 500hp forester could eaisly beat the v6 triton that won the finke (production class) this year!

spike · Post by **spike** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:10 pm

but there would have been a lot of money in that v6 triton i can bet.
im thinking working on the suspension would be my main thing.
maybe some gbox mods but just a ej25 NA for reliablilty and the fact that fuel can be shite when out offroading if we need to haul some.

brumbyrunner · Post by **brumbyrunner** » Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:03 pm

Geoff Pickering won Performance 4WD in his new Pajero. Clayton Chapman came 2nd in that Triton. It hasn't had much done to it, he's just a really good little steerer.

spike · Post by **spike** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:16 am

mmm interesting yeah
we were talking about what off roaders were for sale and we thought about yours brumbyrunner seeing as you were thinking of upgrading but we want somthing now lol.
im going down the shop tommorow to see what i can pick out to work with.

the guy who im looking at driving is an old school rally driver and can do it with the best of them

spike · Post by **spike** » Sat Jul 17, 2010 9:34 pm

more ideas and opinions wanted.......

how about the 4aet?? the auto thing lol so i can put the electronic lock in it
or a manual and perform the ea into ej gbox swap

spike · Post by **spike** » Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:24 pm

if anyones interested in helping me out i set up a sponsor me thing on facebook

http://apps.facebook.com/sponsor-me/cam ... =608429229

spike · Post by **spike** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 2:30 pm

Engine
NA*
Remapping/piggyback computer
Larger radiator, shroud, fans, overflow bottle
Pistons are free, rods must be standard
Oil cooler, twin filters, WRX water to oil temp stabiliser

Turbo*
Remapping/piggyback computer
Larger radiator, shroud, fans, overflow bottle
Lower compression with custom pistons and head work
Oil cooler, twin filters, WRX water to oil temp stabiliser
Additional boost, addition of boost adjustment located under bonnet
Addition of water spray on radiator, to also lower intercooler temp

Suspension
50mm suspension lift
Twin shocks and springs?
Wheels (max 8 inches wide), tires
Quick rate steering

Bodywork
Flares
Light/bull bar, slim side rails, slim rear bar
Aluminium under tray
Roof vents
Spot lights

Interior
Race seats at least 2, possibility of 4 for non events
2 600g easy access fire extinguishers, 2 1kg in rear
3inch race belts
Gauges (engine temp (of the metal), water level, boost gauge (if we go turbo), oil temp, oil pressure (with light), Speedo, taco, shift light, g-box and diff temps.
Multitude of switches

Gearbox, diff
4AET, with diff lock mod*
5 speed manual*EJ casing, unsure of ratios, possible to put ratios from EA in it. When power delivery is organised this will be finalised
LSD’s

Miscellaneous
Fuel tank built into underbody wheel well
Fuel tank built into boot, unsure of volume
Wheel rack in boot, to take 4 spares
Upgraded headlights
Whinch, high lift jack, sand boards
Air compressor, air tank built in bulbar or rails

Safety
Cage to comply with CAMS, drawings will go up soon

Anything i may have forgotten??
Anyone think they can help?? I have a sponsorship letter written if you or your business would like me to email or mail it out to you.

brumbyrunner · Post by **brumbyrunner** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 8:04 pm

What events are you targeting?

spike · Post by **spike** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:02 pm

i was waiting for you to arrive brumby runner
seems you were the reason we started thinking about this crazy SH*T

big ones include the finke and aus safari
more than likely some if not all of the SA ORC
and just for the hell of it ill probably run some very small events, WALKY park to the south ausies, mallala circuit, collingrove hillclimb.

spike · Post by **spike** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:36 am

thought id post this link to usmb
http://www.ultimatesubaru.org/forum/sho ... post942832
just talks about what im plannign and asking for adive cause they have baja and all that.

check post 6 and see what renob has to say =)

btw i mean no disrespect to any americans, i simply find it funny that anyone can think australia has any conditions like dakar ie lots of desert

brumbyrunner · Post by **brumbyrunner** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:02 pm

I've never been to the Baja Peninsular myself but I've read, heard and seen a lot of footage about it. Where in Australia have you seen conditions like that?

I've never done a Dakar either although friends of mine who have, told me there's nothing like it anywhere over here.

Certainly the Finke Desert Race is unique in it's terrain. Hundreds of kms of whoops and no chance of service within the 4 hour time limit.

spike · Post by **spike** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:09 pm

dakar is a lot of sand with a few technical, boggy stages at the start. so the sand dunes aren't as long but perth has some (and ive only played there once), the boggy bits can be found nearly anywhere and the plains area of Dakar are on gabled(?) desert ie sturt desert, all rocks.
baja is mostly sand too (i think) but with a lot of man made jumps and the like. its very fast pretty much like the finke.

your right in saying that the finke is unique but you can always pull paralles from it

brumbyrunner · Post by **brumbyrunner** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:21 pm

You seem to be missing the second biggest issue for offroad racing and that's suspension.

Stop worrying about anything else until you have that sorted.

What size tyre are you running?

spike · Post by **spike** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:27 pm

you are correct there brumbyrunner.
suspension is going to be hard under the production class rules, i can have to shockers and and coil springs, just for the fun of it im tempted to price up tien adjustable dampening rate for it =)
first time out of the build were looking at just two sets of standard shockers and springs on each wheel. im just checking the legality of this but as they are coil overs and im allowed two shockers the springs are in there original position. should be legal.
this will just be the test run and depending on our weak points we will be uprgading them as we go.
for tires im looking into a supplier of 30" OD with my lift and trim i can fit that easily.

brumbyrunner · Post by **brumbyrunner** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:54 pm

spike wrote:dakar is a lot of sand with a few technical, boggy stages at the start. so the sand dunes aren't as long but perth has some (and ive only played there once), the boggy bits can be found nearly anywhere and the plains area of Dakar are on gabled(?) desert ie sturt desert, all rocks.
baja is mostly sand too (i think) but with a lot of man made jumps and the like. its very fast pretty much like the finke.

What? Perth? What offroad racing is done on those dunes? Have you seen the dunes in the Atacama Desert?

Have you seen the fesh fesh? We have nothing like that in our championship.

What about the silt beds at Baja? And what man made jumps are you referring to?

vincentvega · Post by **vincentvega** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:30 am

first time out of the build were looking at just two sets of standard shockers and springs on each wheel

Have you actually seen under a forester? This will never work.

I would recommend more research, and less time dreaming out loud on the internet.