Faulty wheels

dylan · Post by **dylan** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:23 pm

:twisted:just brought some 14 sunraysias, and have been getting shaking through the steering wheel. thought it was the wheel alightnment/balance and got it done twice, but turned out to be faulty wheels im guessing they drilled them slightly wrong.
just woundering if anyone else has had this problem???

Post by **Alex** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:45 pm

are these the king wheels?

also are you 100% sure its wheels? could it be a bend driveshaft or sumthing?

alex

dylan · Post by **dylan** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:15 pm

pretty sure they are the sunraysias, whats the diff between kings and sunnys? the people that do all my wheels stuff said it was teh wheels not sitting properly? how would u bend a drive shaft?, i havent really done much serious off roading in it yet?

Fang · Post by **Fang** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:57 pm

There is sod all difference between Kings and Speedy wheels (these are what you mean by Sunraysia I am guessing). Even has the same "lovely" stripes

I have always had the same problem with my wheels. Because the Speedy (and Kings) spigot hole does not sit on the hub properly - all the stress is put on the stud holes.

I gradually did the nuts up - a little at a time - making sure they are all as tight as each other. This usually helped my shuddering issues.

dylan · Post by **dylan** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:11 pm

Fang wrote: Because the Speedy (and Kings) spigot hole does not sit on the hub properly - all the stress is put on the stud holes.

is this a serious problem? should i be worried about the added stress to teh studs? or do i live with a bit of steeringwheel shake?

Fang · Post by **Fang** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:21 pm

It's not great - but I haven't had a problem with it. The stud holes do "wear out" after a while apparently. Others may have a differing view...

My suggestion to help alleviate -: Try and get the studs as centred in the stud holes as much you can and they do each of the nuts up gradually. (ie don't just slap it on and do it up)

It's possible you have an entirely different problem.

Venom · Post by **Venom** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:26 pm

Yea do as Fang suggests. Do each nut up gradually like you do with head bolts. The wheel needs to be centred slowly by the nuts. If you just do one up tight it can actually bolt the wheel on off centre, and every other nut will just tighten it up in that wrong spot.

Make sure the blokes doing your tyres aren't just going hammer and tong at the wheel nuts with a rattle gun, because that's a real easy way to do them up with the wheel off center.

dylan · Post by **dylan** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:02 pm

Venom wrote:Yea do as Fang suggests. Do each nut up gradually like you do with head bolts. The wheel needs to be centred slowly by the nuts.

ive done that now, so ill see if its made a difference tomoro when i head out onto the freeway.

why dont they just make them to fit correctly,

Gannon · Post by **Gannon** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:53 pm

dylan wrote:why dont they just make them to fit correctly,

Probably cos the wheels are pressed from a common die and are designed to suit many models of cars.

I wonder if somebody (maybe a board member) who works in a metal fab/engineering workshop could make us some spacers to fit inside the spiggot hole on the wheel to make the wheel centred. Much like the spacer you put on an angle grinder to make it fit different discs

Fang · Post by **Fang** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:57 pm

Suparoo wrote:Probably cos the wheels are pressed from a common die and are designed to suit many models of cars.

That is the exact reason why. I got it from the Manager of Speedy wheels myself a few years ago

They don't even make them - they come ex-China/Taiwan like that.

dylan · Post by **dylan** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:13 am

well it turns out that my wheels cant be centerd and that speedy said that it "must have been a bad batch and could replace them" but if the batch is bad then they would all be same?? i am very dissapointed. so i have ordered some king wheels to see if these are any different...... (great timing as im bout to head to teh coorong and not game enough to take the suby, so am borrowing dads 4x4)

Gannon · Post by **Gannon** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:52 am

I just ordered some kings as well. Hopefully i will have them by next week

dylan · Post by **dylan** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:35 pm

ive been thinking. would the space between the center wheel hole and teh rim be for the center hub cap???

Matatak · Post by **Matatak** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:49 pm

Never heard of any1 having problems with the wheels and doing them up.

i use a rattle gun (properly) never had a problem.

ur issue sounds like wheel/tyre imbalance if the steering wheel is shaking.

Also are u using Conical Wheel Nuts?? Flat ones wont work

dylan · Post by **dylan** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:56 pm

Matatak wrote:
ur issue sounds like wheel/tyre imbalance if the steering wheel is shaking.

Also are u using Conical Wheel Nuts?? Flat ones wont work

how do i get teh right wheel/tyre balance? i was running light-truck tyers, would that be the problem??
i was just using teh standard subaru nuts, but the wheel guy tried different nuts (i think the conical nuts) and still didnt work...

i just dont understand why my car should be different? plenty of people have speedy wheels??

BaronVonChickenPants · Post by **BaronVonChickenPants** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:19 pm

dylan wrote:ive been thinking. would the space between the center wheel hole and teh rim be for the center hub cap???

The hole in the rim should be a perfect fit onto the spigot of the hub, it is meant to hold the wheel centered, the wheel nuts are only there to stop it falling off.

I have seen some aftermarket rims come with a plastic spacer that was about 3mm thick to fill the gap between the rim an spigot, though being plastic I don't imagine they would have lasted long.

Jordan.

Matatak · Post by **Matatak** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:11 pm

dylan wrote:how do i get teh right wheel/tyre balance? i was running light-truck tyers, would that be the problem??
i was just using teh standard subaru nuts, but the wheel guy tried different nuts (i think the conical nuts) and still didnt work...

i just dont understand why my car should be different? plenty of people have speedy wheels??

the tyre shop obviously balanced your wheels after they fitted the tyres didnt they?

standard subaru nuts should be fine to use and should also be conical.

being conical is how it centers the wheel.

dylan · Post by **dylan** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:14 pm

Matatak wrote:the tyre shop obviously balanced your wheels after they fitted the tyres didnt they?.

yes. he said he did.

Venom · Post by **Venom** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:19 pm

Working in tyres for 2 years i came across 1 instance of an aftermarket set of wheels which apparently were vibrating because they weren't located on the spigot.

I've also seen alot of after market wheels that weren't located by the spigot and they never had a problem. Never heard of wheels falling of because of it either. I've seen sheared wheels bolts from a monaro with a 350 chev doing burn outs, thats about it.

I doubt that all four wheels you have a faulty, so try a front to rear rotation, left to right, etc. See if it changes at all. If all else fails try the stock wheels again. If the stock wheels don't vibrate, then after all that i'm fairly certain it's the wheels themselves.

dylan · Post by **dylan** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:31 pm

went to subareck today and they sais it was the steering rack which was loose and the bigger whels made it noticable......