Pug Rims.

BlackMale · Post by **BlackMale** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:35 am

This has quote been imported from another thread... and i am not wanting to start any fights here just alowing all to express an opinion.

smoov wrote:sorry for the hijack:

i've had the pug rims before, and they were great. never an issue.

steel rims were as tough as they get. sure they're ugly, but so are L series subarus. paint em black, and no one notices.

i don't know what's with all the skirts around here worried about centre spigots. pfft. don't be lame! they were only on for offroad purposes!! all im saying is borrow a set to throw on, to get you through the inspection.

my pug steels were STEEL. not COPPER!!

as for the nuts? they were very clever in design. a royal pain if you didn't have the matching nuts for the wheels, but clever if you had them to match.

man, all these current L series drivers are going soft... nothing like that in the good ol' days!

dane - you're just unlucky me thinks.
are you an expert in this particular field?

BlackMale · Post by **BlackMale** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:43 am

I would also like to add a few points... I to am talking about 14” steel pugs. Mine have been fine and I have to agree with Smoov on a few points, and would like to highlight a few points.

1) The nuts are a cleaver design and seat on the rim just fine (I obviously have the right nuts).

2) For offraoding they are great, strong (as ugly as shit) but boy they do the job.

3) As for locating on the studs what sort of mechanic are you, not what I would call a ‘hard’ job?!?!?

4) Paint them black and you will notice the car looks like a pig – mine are black.

5) L series drivers are going soft – are you saying this given you do have 1 any more? I know that this L driver has not gone ‘soft’ well not yet anyway (and i don't want a debate to assertain if i was ever hard either!).

SuBaRiNo · Post by **SuBaRiNo** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 10:50 am

Yeah i agree with a few too.

"Pugs are ugly"
"L series drivers are going soft "

I would rather a whole world of scrubbing tyres than have pug rims. Owned a few sets... never had them fitted on my own car. eww eww icky icky.

The "not correct" offset of the Desert Rats is one of the things i like most about them.

Dave

BlackMale · Post by **BlackMale** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:21 pm

So what you mean is that you like the fact that they have the ‘correct offset”?

Oh and its not the scrubbing thats the issues... Due to the fact that I go hard I was doning more then scrubbing I was cutting badly and removing HUGE chunks of rubber… bloody stupid Rats.

AndrewT · Post by **AndrewT** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:47 pm

The offset does have a bearing on wether the tyres scrub or not, but surely the MAIN reason is diameter? L series are designed to have 13" wheels.

BlackMale · Post by **BlackMale** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:13 pm

AndrewT wrote:The offset does have a bearing on wether the tyres scrub or not, but surely the MAIN reason is diameter? L series are designed to have 13" wheels.

What and MY were not?

AndrewT · Post by **AndrewT** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:13 pm

??? yes, MY were aswell, everyone knows that ???

Mabey I'm confused?

I didn't see MY mentioned anywhere else in this thread? Are we comparing them to L series or something?

BlackMale · Post by **BlackMale** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:26 pm

AndrewT wrote:??? yes, MY were aswell, everyone knows that ???

Mabey I'm confused?
I didn't see MY mentioned anywhere else in this thread? Are we comparing them to L series or something?

Yes we were, i broght this in when you mention the 13" thing. The rats do not scub on the MY as the offset suits em however L series the Rat is a pain, hence the use of Pugs with are not the most attractive rim option or the Scorp which are well documented for not being the cheepest option.

I was just interested in some of the comments made on the other thread about this and was, i suppose curious, to see what other board members thought. This being said it will not stop me running mine - actually they will be on display at the BBQ tomorrow.

m.j.h · Post by **m.j.h** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:53 pm

Time for a really stupid question from this newbie but will the 14" Pug rims fit on as a direct replacment to the 13" and will they scrub at all on a std L Series wagon?

If all is good then sounds like I might have to get some as 13" tyres can be a pain to find at the moment.

twc · Post by **twc** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:36 pm

To stir the pot even more from what i see up my way is the 14 "pug rims will bolt straight up to a standard 13 L series without any dramas . It is a whole lot easier to have the matching wheel nuts, although it can be done on standard nuts (means ON CAR wheel balancing) A couple of the more mature gentlemen who run these wheels on their subies have bought $20.00 wheel covers( supa cheap) You cannot tell the difference from a standard car untill you take a closer look.

BlackMale · Post by **BlackMale** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 4:23 pm

m.j.h wrote:Time for a really stupid question from this newbie but will the 14" Pug rims fit on as a direct replacment to the 13" and will they scrub at all on a std L Series wagon? If all is good then sounds like I might have to get some as 13" tyres can be a pain to find at the moment.

14" rims on as a direct replacement no mods required. Just be aware that we are also putting on a larger diameter rim and then running as big a profile as we can get (as apposed to larger rim and lower profile to keep the speedo more accurate). I am not sure what your on about with the 13”: stuff botht he rims and the rubber should be easily located.

twc wrote:To stir the pot even more from what i see up my way is the 14 "pug rims will bolt straight up to a standard 13 L series without any dramas . It is a whole lot easier to have the matching wheel nuts, although it can be done on standard nuts (means ON CAR wheel balancing) A couple of the more mature gentlemen who run these wheels on their subies have bought $20.00 wheel covers( supa cheap) You cannot tell the difference from a standard car untill you take a closer look.

I have head of people cutting the centre out of the pug rim however I have not got any interest in this. As previously quoted the Pugs did come with ‘custom’ pug nuts and I have not attempted to fit any other nuts on other then these… I have heard that it’s a pain though. As for the covers I am not sure that they fit do they due to the lip on the rim? Either way I suspect they (the covers) would not last 10 minutes 4WD anyway.

m.j.h · Post by **m.j.h** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:30 pm

Jaffa wrote:14" rims on as a direct replacement no mods required. Just be aware that we are also putting on a larger diameter rim and then running as big a profile as we can get (as apposed to larger rim and lower profile to keep the speedo more accurate). I am not sure what your on about with the 13”: stuff botht he rims and the rubber should be easily located.

I have head of people cutting the centre out of the pug rim however I have not got any interest in this. As previously quoted the Pugs did come with ‘custom’ pug nuts and I have not attempted to fit any other nuts on other then these… I have heard that it’s a pain though. As for the covers I am not sure that they fit do they due to the lip on the rim? Either way I suspect they (the covers) would not last 10 minutes 4WD anyway.

I should of mention off road rubber as all the places I have spoke to only want to know about road tyres.

But yeah thanks for the info, Now I jsut got to find some Pug wheels.

+ve rep for....Oh sorry wrong forum.

smoov · Post by **smoov** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:34 pm

Jaffa wrote:I would also like to add a few points... I to am talking about 14” steel pugs. Mine have been fine and I have to agree with Smoov on a few points, and would like to highlight a few points.

1) The nuts are a cleaver design and seat on the rim just fine (I obviously have the right nuts).

2) For offraoding they are great, strong (as ugly as shit) but boy they do the job.

3) As for locating on the studs what sort of mechanic are you, not what I would call a ‘hard’ job?!?!?

4) Paint them black and you will notice the car looks like a pig – mine are black.

5) L series drivers are going soft – are you saying this given you do have 1 any more? I know that this L driver has not gone ‘soft’ well not yet anyway (and i don't want a debate to assertain if i was ever hard either!).

LOL jaffa! two thumbs up for this thread! people commonly overlook the pugs as a genuine option as a wheel choice for the L series. IMHO, I think they're a great choice if you're going to use minimal lift if none at all.

1) You MUST use the genuine pug oval washer nuts. Not terribly hard to find at euro wreckers. Postage of these are easy and cheap. If you use the subaru or normal nuts, your nuts WILL LOOSEN rather quickly! I wouldn't reccomend using ordinary nuts for these wheels!

2) I've seen bent sunnies. I've yet to see a bent pug

3) I'll leave that one be!

4) Black wheels are all the rage, and are this season's "black"

White sunnies are sooooo 1975 HJ45 Landcruiser!! *vomits*

5) Jaffa - I'd consider you one of the old schooler L'ers that do it tough!! These new breed L series modders seem to be soft, wanting to remove their lift kits, cowering in fear, after police giving them a canary!! SOFT!!

LTurbo · Post by **LTurbo** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 6:49 pm

m.j.h wrote:Time for a really stupid question from this newbie but will the 14" Pug rims fit on as a direct replacment to the 13" and will they scrub at all on a std L Series wagon?

If all is good then sounds like I might have to get some as 13" tyres can be a pain to find at the moment.

Any Peugeot rim of a 505 or 504 will have the same stud pattern (4*140) as the L-series and MY Subaru’s. But most of the pug wheels have quit a different offset, especially the 505 wheels. The best bet for the closest offset Peugeot wheel (I reckon anyway) is a steelie off a 504. I did a tiny bit of research trying to find a cheap 14" alloy for my car, most of it is here showthread.php?t=2407 .

On a seperate note I believe 505gti 15" alloy rim, is a magnesium alloy (fairly unsure about that, just what I have been told) and is really quite soft and it will not take long before some decent offroading will turn them into something reassembling a 50cent coin. So it is probably this rim that is being referred to as being soft as copper????
They should be fine for asphalt applications though as this is what they were designed for. Also the series 1 505gti came out with metric wheels (390mm not 15") that originally only a special Michelin tyre would fit and they were around $400 a pop. So careful if your chasing a set of these rims. Also I have seen pics of these rims on suby's in North America and look quite nice, but it does appear as though they stick out past the guards a bit.

SuBaRiNo · Post by **SuBaRiNo** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:19 pm

LOL Jaffa "The rats do not scub on the MY as the offset suits em"

Have you had rats on an MY.. they do scrub man... all comes down the the tyres your running though. And that don't matter if it's an L or an MY.

All i know... 26inch tyres on pug rims scrub a HELL of a lot less that 26inch tyres on Rat rims. But the gayness factor of the pugs can not be overlooked in my book.

Rats with the right fender trim combination look sweet and wont scrub.

Dave

smoov · Post by **smoov** » Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:44 pm

gayness factor?

ROFLMAO!!

if you're worried about appearances, then, you'd be better at home in a mitsu of some description with eleventy gazillion bolt ons, and 200kg of fibreglass!!!

subanator · Post by **subanator** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 12:18 am

Has'nt this turned into a "Pugly" debate in one days posting, must be some sort of record on the board since the power conditioner debate......LOL.

dfoyl · Post by **dfoyl** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 8:53 pm

> have head of people cutting the centre out of the pug rim however I have not got any interest in this. As previously quoted the Pugs did come with ‘custom’ pug nuts and I have not attempted to fit any other nuts on other then these… I have heard that it’s a pain though.

Pretty sure there are two types of 504 rims - either using the special nuts or just the regular type. At least, this is what my local Peugeot wrecker told me (Pugwreck in Bayswater, Vic). And yes, the centre is designed for the plastic Pug caps that twist in 90 degrees - it's an oddball size (what else would you expect from Peugeot

), at 62mm. The standard MY caps are much bigger (not sure on L caps as I don't have one), and can't be used. I've tried caps off a bunch of other cars and the closest is mid 70s Corolla's which run 60mm - just too small to stay in. You can't cut the centre out due to the shape of the rim (maybe a cm or two) to fit the Subaru caps, and I'm not putting hubcaps over my powdercoated Pug rims in a hurry...

The improvement in roadholding for the 14" over the 13" is great - and 14" tyres have a much wider range than 13". The only thing I have against the Pug rims is they're only 5.5" wide so you can't run much over 195 for road tyres - I'm running 185s and they are a huge improvement over the 165/13 combo.

Dean.

BlackMale · Post by **BlackMale** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:59 pm

Yes black is the “in” thing it makes your ride look like a real pig – just in case the Puglies were not enough. Oh and thanks smoov for the old school tag I would have like the opportunity to bash L’s with ya.

Yes Dean is on the right path for sure. After skiving off about these rims I discovered something very interesting on Friday night. I have now wrapped the Khumo’s around the Pugs and was keen to bust em out on Saturday, however after a 10 minute 4WD on Friday night I had to revert back to the 15” as yes the bloody offset is not as ‘sweet’ as the 15” rims – Dagnabit!

The difference was about 1cm and this was enough for the Khumo’s to foul the leading and trailing edge of the wheel arches… therefore I may have to look at running a slightly smaller tyre (might be back to some Wranglers TG’s).

Are you HAPPY Subg - BIG slise of humble board pie.

I will throw some new King/KYB’s in the rear and see if it make a difference however if it does not solve this issue then there could be some Khumo’s appearing in the for sale section, as I am not increasing the lift.

SuBaRiNo · Post by **SuBaRiNo** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 5:52 pm

AHAHAH subg mentioned something went down but i didn't want to pour salt in your wound after the ea82T, which i despise, sprung a leak.

Dave