Update on my Brumby

Post by **TOONGA** » Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:03 pm

on the back of an EJ22 is this when the cam cover is removed

some of the later engines don't have the slot so look before you buy

I didn't take this photo but it shows all you need to do to the distributor to get it to work

the photo comes from this page

http://www.prachapter34.com/converting_engines.htm

basically very little modification is needed to get the English Escort dizzy to fit

and there is another escort dizzy available which is shorter than the mark 3 dizzy

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/DISTRIBUTOR-FORD ... 20b211b289

which will work just as well

TOONGA

RSR 555 · Post by **RSR 555** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:15 pm

TOONGA wrote:A big thanks to Paul again and to Tristian as well for making light of a bad situation (and helping as well)

TOONGA

No probs at all Jules.. it's all for the good of the Fam

dibs wrote:how much clerance from the stearing would the dizy have in an unlifted brumby.

dibs

Hey dibs.. it makes no difference whether the car is lifted or not as the engine remains in the same place on the engine crossmember. Saying that it is possible to raise the engine slightly to gain the correct engine mount angles which would only help the gap between the dizzy and steering shaft but will increase the CV shaft angle.

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:37 pm

ahh, thanks Julian, I had a drive cog in mind, forgot about these simplified dizzy drive, great idea.

dibs · Post by **dibs** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:43 pm

so heres a little thought. has anyone had modafied cams done for a subaru
i did talk to a guy and he said hes seen it done but it broke cam belts alot .
i wonder wht the grind diference would be between fuel injected electronic ignition 2.2 to a carbied dizy sparked 2.2 like the one been done on here.if so what grind would you ask for

dibs

RSR 555 · Post by **RSR 555** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:50 pm

I can't see why grinding camshaft profiles would break timing belts?? but I could see them breaking if stronger valve springs were used.

As for what the profile difference would be then it would only be however the owner of the EJ22 carby/dizzy engine asked for it as Subaru only produced the EJ18 with a dizzy and the carby was really a single point fuel injected throttle bodied carby.

isnowi · Post by **isnowi** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:59 am

RSR 555 wrote:I can't see why grinding camshaft profiles would break timing belts?? but I could see them breaking if stronger valve springs were used.

As for what the profile difference would be then it would only be however the owner of the EJ22 carby/dizzy engine asked for it as Subaru only produced the EJ18 with a dizzy and the carby was really a single point fuel injected throttle bodied carby.

The SPFI 'carb ' you speak of does not have a dizzy in the traditional sense, it has an extended camshaft that pokes thorugh a similar cover to the one Toonga pictured above, onto this extension goes a rotor (fixed in position, no advance or retard is posssible in this 'dizzy') and rotates inside a trditional dizzy cap and sortened body. This motor also uses a full ecu too (from looking at the wiring diagrams it may be the same or very similar to that years mpfi ecu, as it has multiple injector drivers commoned up to fire the single injector more often.
There is also a genuine carbed ej18, that uses a hitachi carb (IIRC) with electronic choke etc, and a mitsubishi dstributer, this motor has a traditional camshaft with the drive slot as Toonga pictured above. These motors, at least in the NZ market, came only in 1989 in the GX and DX poverty pack models, some of them were mated to a D/R 4wd trnasmission, some of them a pushbutton 4wd transmission. I've also seen them without P/S or AC as well, perhaps these were options.

For any part number anoraks, here is the build tag of a carbed ej18 wagon with d/r, you might be able to make sense of FHI's codes etc.

cheers, Dan

Post by **TOONGA** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:51 am

Dan any chance you could get picture of the manifold and dizzy on the carbied EJ18 Ive seen fsm black and whites but ink renderings just aren't the same as seeing real pictures

or even better a spare dizzy, manifold and carby to ship to Western Australia

oh but Im funny

thanks for the info

TOONGA

isnowi · Post by **isnowi** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:35 pm

TOONGA wrote:Dan any chance you could get picture of the manifold and dizzy on the carbied EJ18 Ive seen fsm black and whites but ink renderings just aren't the same as seeing real pictures

or even better a spare dizzy, manifold and carby to ship to Western Australia

oh but Im funny

thanks for the info

TOONGA

In spite of the relatively large number of them over here (when compared to none over there) i haven't seen one at the wreckers since i last spoke to you. It's the catalyst for my giving up on twin IDFs (at least for now) and going for an injected ej22.

If i manage to spot one i'll grab some snaps.

dibs · Post by **dibs** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:39 pm

the only ting i can think of is the chang in lobe machining would put extra load on the belts . i thought someone mita got a set ground and had the same trouble . still thinkin what mods to do but it will happen . and this post has given me a mad idea

dibs

Post by **TOONGA** » Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:31 pm

yes Dibs after talking to you I wish I had access to the bits you do, I would have a brumby like no other in WA

TOONGA

dibs · Post by **dibs** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:44 pm

arghhhhhhh aloy flywheel

snickers to self na lol

sorry m8

but my handbrakes just been pulled on for a wile

dibs

Post by **TOONGA** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:37 pm

has your better half decided she wants a new kitchen or something ?

TOONGA

dibs · Post by **dibs** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 9:27 pm

scuse me thats other half thanks

lol

dibs

Post by **TOONGA** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:45 pm

lol so she does want a new kitchen

just a small update hopefully tomorrow I will have enough time to clean re-jet and re- gasket my weber. it is hard to believe that 4 small bits of brass cost so much (45 dollars including registered mail) but hey they are new and they are way smaller than the ones in the carby now

TOONGA

Post by **TOONGA** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:14 pm

ok so baring the main Idle jet (primary , secondary and secondary idle jets were fine) which refused to fit as it is a different style to the one in the carby. I now have a re-jetted adm34 on my EJ20.

If anyone else is crazy enough to do this the primary Jet is 130 the secondary jet is 150

the main idle is 60 (should be 55 or less so the people and books say) and for the life of me I can't remember what the secondary idle is

there is way less unburnt fuel at the exhaust end and the annoying gurgle -gurgle - power as the secondary throttle opens has turned into smooth transition - power.

now I just have to work out how I'm going to sort out the throttle linkage so it isn't as dodgy as at present. ( I have a ford accelerator cable just need to modify it to fit)

TOONGA

dibs · Post by **dibs** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:29 pm

na new bathroom m8

dibs

Post by **TOONGA** » Sun Aug 01, 2010 2:08 pm

dibs wrote:na new bathroom m8

dibs

well I wasn't far off I hope she enjoys it

meanwhile PJ has had a bit more work done if you remember and I prefer to forget I had the subaru accelerator jury rigged until I could come up with a better solution.

this photo shows the jury rigged cable

this photo shows the ford XF cable sitting nicely in place

and so does this one

and these ones show how I got it to work like the subaru one

and this one shows the ford bracket used to hold the cable in place

it is rather responsive and has made for a completely different sound when pushing the go pedal as the secondary now opens as it is meant to.

I just hope I don't have to replace the cable in a hurry as putting that brass plate into place was the last part and took nearly all of my patience, the rest just clipped into place.

and yes I did have to change the pedal end of the cable from a round ball to a rod which I achieved by slotting a section of fuel line (drilled and slotted with jewellery tools) over the ball and the filling the space around the ball with soft solder and a jewelers torch (and I didn't even burn my self this time)

TOONGA

RSR 555 · Post by **RSR 555** » Sun Aug 01, 2010 3:37 pm

TOONGA wrote:and I didn't even burn my self this time

TOONGA

hahaha.. I bet that's because you didn't use my big blow torch

Nice work tho Jules.. Hope to get it on the beach next time home as I just raised mine 1 1/2" before I left.. so now I'll be better prepared for Preston Beach

ScubyRoo · Post by **ScubyRoo** » Sun Aug 01, 2010 5:00 pm

nice work, looks good! Has this fixed your over-fueling issue?

Post by **TOONGA** » Sun Aug 01, 2010 6:39 pm

hahaha.. I bet that's because you didn't use my big blow torch

yeah the torch I used is a dental technicians torch they use them to repair dentures and silver solder small metal pieces together.

Ive used it quite successfully to make silver rings and other bits and pieces and it works really well when you want to soft solder 12 volt connectors for battery cables.

nice work, looks good! Has this fixed your over-fueling issue?

yes it has, the carby has been re-jetted to a 135 primary a 150 secondary and the idle jets are 60's (primary and secondary) I would like to put a 52 or 55 primary idle jet in but truely I don't think it will make much more difference

TOONGA