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YouTube · Post by **El_Freddo** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:42 pm

Well that turned out to be a "cheap fix" then..!

Of all the things a fuse or two. Good to know those rubber seal fuse holders aren't so good and that I've got my fuses in a little panel behind the glove box

I take it Jetcar is still motoring along now? Just asking

Cheers

Bennie

Post by **TOONGA** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:52 pm

El_Freddo wrote:Well that turned out to be a "cheap fix" then..!

Of all the things a fuse or two. Good to know those rubber seal fuse holders aren't so good and that I've got my fuses in a little panel behind the glove box

I take it Jetcar is still motoring along now? Just asking

Cheers

Bennie

Yeah rather annoying in the end but hey I now have spares for all the electrics apart from the TPS

I think that when I went from the standard Subaru EFI pump to an AFTER market Ebay job the higher fuel pump PSI meant a bigger pump motor which made for way more draw on the electronics. and the extra heat made the little rubber covers fuse cookers.

I gave a V8 ford a run for its money the other morning, I think he was in shock that this noisy old subaru just dissapeared away from him at the lights.
He ended roaring past me once I got to the speed limit he didn't look very happy at all.

TOONGA

YouTube · Post by **El_Freddo** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:00 pm

^ Gold.

He was probably wondering what this door wedge thing was the blew him off from the lights

Cheers

Bennie

RSR 555 · Post by **RSR 555** » Sat May 02, 2015 11:28 pm

TOONGA wrote: A fishing Party (fishing for CC's when I got there)

From memory (and looking at the sea state) fishing wasn't worth it

steptoe wrote:Slap yourself on the back for nutting it out on your own Jules.

Slap? I thing more of a pat would be better :P

steptoe wrote:These must have been part of the conversion electricals ?

Yeah they were but with the standard pump, they are fine. I've got them in many conversions and still going strong.

steptoe wrote:Did the fuse break or blow ? Chasing cause or leave that until next time ?

No, they didn't blow otherwise we could have found it earlier.. no power to fuel pump would have been a dead give away.

Cause is the power draw of the aftermarket HP pump which draws more than the EA82 EFI pump. Plus the wire isn't melted, just the holders, so this tells me the connection joints between the connector and the fuse aren't suited for the aftermarket pump.

Post by **TOONGA** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:17 am

I have a question for the other vortex owners on the board.

Remembering my vortex is an 87-88 built model so I'm pretty sure it may have the pre 88 harness. as well It no longer has the factory boat anchor under the bonnet.

Picture a coldish winter morning 1-3 degrees celcius and the windscreen is wet but it isn't raining. You use the wiper stalk with the window washer on the steering column to clear the wet windscreen.

the wiper works it does the required sweeps and then the annoying little hidden @#$%^&* RELAY from the sound in the passenger side of the dash goes crazy and clicks like a drunk cricket. The only way I can stop the wipers is if I use the intermittent function on the wiper controls.

WHERE is that @#$%^&* RELAY!!!!!

I have 4 in the space behind where the radio once lived (it wasn't in the broken dash mounting when I got the car) and I've replaced all of them with good working original subaru relays is it one of them or like the brumby is there one stuffed behind something that needs most of the dash removed to get at it.

The FSM I have is American and for the 89 model. the wiring diagram and trouble shooting guide refers to a computer module that works with the speed sensor I know I don't have that computer module as I have a sliding rheostat (yep a rheostat) that controls the wiper speed.

WHERE is that @#$%^&* RELAY!!!!!

If I need to replace it HOW MANY PINS DOES that @#$%^&* RELAY HAVE!!!!!

TOONGA

Nubaru · Post by **Nubaru** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:25 am

wiper INT relay in a diagram for older EA82 stuff, looks like Vortex dash calls it i25 , is blue and 13 pole plug, right dang smack central behind radio above the hump and must be near the four relays ?

Post by **TOONGA** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:15 pm

Nubaru wrote:wiper INT relay in a diagram for older EA82 stuff, looks like Vortex dash calls it i25 , is blue and 13 pole plug, right dang smack central behind radio above the hump and must be near the four relays ?

What year?

Got a diagram? either electrical wiring or where in the dash.

The 4 relays are below the radio just above the hump.

It would be much appreciated.

TOONGA

Nubaru · Post by **Nubaru** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 10:24 am

look for a poo brown box (unless you eat too much licorice) ...imagine a pack of 30 fags .... chop the top 1/3 off and that is the size of cricket you are looking for and from memory is a double screwed bracket and is in the middle near those relays on the earlier XT's so it is possible yours is hidden down behind left rear side pocket

not picture transmit able since my fax machine died , sorry

Post by **TOONGA** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:33 pm

So I found it

thanks for the info Nubaru

I had to remove the passenger seat to get to the screw on that side as it wouldn't budge... so much fun.

mine is a pooish blue colour with 17 pins

One of the 3 relays inside is unhappy. The relay cover is heat deformed which I guess means it has had a hard life

and the blue plastic the module is housed in seems to be from the same batch that was used to make the self-destructing dash surrounds

The only replacement I can find it for a later model SVX with the same pin configuration but as it is in America the postage is twice the cost of the part

Does anyone have one they want to sell.

Mine appears to be repairable but I don't even know if I could still get the replacement relay and it could be that one of the 2 microprocessors is faulty as well.

TOONGA

Post by **Bantum** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 7:33 pm

Probably suffering from 'dry joints' - I'd take it apart & resolder them ...

And while you have it apart, check the relays for correct movement & corrosion.

Cheers, Bantum ...

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:53 pm

sheesh ! All that for one wiper arm !

Post by **TOONGA** » Mon Aug 24, 2015 9:05 pm

Bantum wrote:Probably suffering from 'dry joints' - I'd take it apart & resolder them ...

And while you have it apart, check the relays for correct movement & corrosion.

Cheers, Bantum ...

Had it apart the relays are non serviceable items and when I did an ebay search on the relay I got zip. As for the "dry joints" that was my first thought, but after inspecting the whole "subaru made" "NEC ? perhaps" PCB all I found was the shrinkage on the faulty relay. That was when I found out the blue plastic box was made of the same crap plastic as the dash surround.

steptoe wrote:sheesh ! All that for one wiper arm !

Yeah one wiper arm that occasionally keeps going and all I can hear in the background is a ticking...

TOONGA

Post by **Bantum** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 1:47 am

Have you got any internal shots of this apart ?

You might be able to find a replacement relay that does the same job, just wont look the same.

Ciao, Bantum ...

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 8:05 am

that would be the bean counters ensuring the plastics did not go to waste. Colour matched component boxes . Best stuff for dicky wipers for me has been Rain-X - frequent applications.

Could you run or subydoug run wires from PCB to external to hook up to any relay you desire to make it all work again ?

Post by **TOONGA** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 7:13 pm

Bantum wrote:Have you got any internal shots of this apart ?

You might be able to find a replacement relay that does the same job, just wont look the same.

Ciao, Bantum ...

Yeah I looked on ebay and couldn't find what I was looking for I may have to pay Jaycar a visit on the weekend.

steptoe wrote:that would be the bean counters ensuring the plastics did not go to waste. Colour matched component boxes . Best stuff for dicky wipers for me has been Rain-X - frequent applications.

Could you run or subydoug run wires from PCB to external to hook up to any relay you desire to make it all work again ?

I could probably do it rather quickly but I don't want to have a no wiper vortex if the "fix" doesn't "fix"

Thats why I want another unit.

There is this on in the USA but postage is a bummer
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/151077451346 ... EBIDX%3AIT

and it is for an SVX

Jono who do you know on your side of the island with a "parts" vortex

TOONGA

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Wed Aug 26, 2015 9:29 am

currently don't know anyone with one for parts and the ones I do know treasure their future projects complete units are all early left wipe ones which it looks like are different to yours. Can you dictate the part number of yours, see if I can find just how many there are in the cattle dog. Hope for your sake not like EA82 ECU's - like 20 different ones around the world !

Lucky you - only three

86571GA100 for 86 87 model years made up to the Z month of 86
.............50 for 87MY made from Jan 87
...........300 for 88 and 89 Model years

Post by **TOONGA** » Sun Aug 30, 2015 8:43 am

steptoe wrote:currently don't know anyone with one for parts and the ones I do know treasure their future projects complete units are all early left wipe ones which it looks like are different to yours. Can you dictate the part number of yours, see if I can find just how many there are in the cattle dog. Hope for your sake not like EA82 ECU's - like 20 different ones around the world !

Lucky you - only three

86571GA100 for 86 87 model years made up to the Z month of 86
.............50 for 87MY made from Jan 87
...........350 for 88 and 89 Model years

Yay only 3 that are currently unavailable anywhere in the world.

but how come mine ends in 300?

Thanks for the numbers Jono

TOONGA

nncoolg · Post by **nncoolg** » Sun Aug 30, 2015 12:59 pm

Have you tried toggling the summer / winter switch?

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Sun Aug 30, 2015 1:03 pm

TOONGA wrote:Yay only 3 that are currently unavailable anywhere in the world.

but how come mine ends in 300?

Thanks for the numbers Jono

TOONGA

typo ?

300 comes to mind, 350 is just a Chev cubic number ... sorry

Post by **TOONGA** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:52 pm

steptoe wrote:typo ?

300 comes to mind, 350 is just a Chev cubic number ... sorry

not a problem nothing matching any of those numbers comes up in a google or ebay search

nncoolg wrote:Have you tried toggling the summer / winter switch?

Yes I did and while the wiper moves up and out of the bonnet area, if I use any option the relay goes nuts. the only way I can stop it is if I put the wiper on intermittent and wait until it returns home then turn the wiper off.

TOONGA

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