Teaching:

YouTube · Post by **El_Freddo** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:33 pm

Well, with the strike today to push our "honourable" premier Ted Baillieu to fulfil his election promise to make victorian teachers the best paid in the country one of my mates posted this article on bookface, I for one totally agree with what's said in the article!

For me, it's not about being the best paid, all teachers should be paid the same - what I don't agree with is the pollies putting in measures to try and gauge good teaching over poor teaching through student outcomes. This article by Ned Manning sums it up very well "Baillieu has no idea how teachers work. This goes for all forms of teaching, not just in victoria.

In the mean time, I'm still trying to break into the industry with a full time job - it's frustrating, I just need that one foot in the door, even if it's a one term contract job. One is in the pipe line for semester 2, I'm just waiting for a response to find out what the go is - hopefully it's good news all round.

Cheers

Bennie

thunder039 · Post by **thunder039** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:58 pm

are you teaching in the burbs?

olddog642 · Post by **olddog642** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:03 pm

Yes I agree, however one will find that there are those students who don't want to learn but are also counted. They do become street smart and survive, they also breath and breed thus adding to the pile.
Even if they had the greatest teacher in the world it would make no different.
Perhaps it would be better if the Pollies had to be graded and payed accordingly, the grading to be done by their electoral constituents as to their performance.
Then we may see some reality in the way they look at situation and how to rectify matters , rather than creating smoke screens and bandaid solutions.
Hylton:twisted::evil:

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:43 pm

Maybe they have seen your speling or grammar errors

Bring back compulsory uniforms - to identify kids with their school , and level the fashion parade.
Bring back a good clip about the ear and the 'cuts'

Gees, when I was at school there was one fa...chubby kid in a class, and one cheeky, fearless smart arse ...now, what've ya got half full of chubby and smart arses. keep them off the streets six hours a day - you are worth your pay rise !

thunder039 · Post by **thunder039** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:52 pm

although i dont disagree with a teacher payrise, i also belive be happy with what you currently get. correct me if im wrong bennie but a full time 1st yr teacher gets about 52g a year? not bad a registered nurse in victoria only get about 45g so about 7g a year more is pretty good! and in my field working for the government i only expect to get 40-45 a year so teachers arent to hard done by seeming the hours a good, plenty of holidays

Kelossus · Post by **Kelossus** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:06 pm

I believe teaching in society these days isn't valued as much as it should be.

I mean it should be an honour to be a teacher. To personally educate and groom the minds of our youth in a time when children get most of there morals from the social media.

They should be paid just as much as dentists and other health care workers but you should have to demonstrate certain qualities to be considered for a job in the first place.

thunder039 · Post by **thunder039** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:12 pm

Kelossus wrote:I believe teaching in society these days isn't valued as much as it should be.

I mean it should be an honour to be a teacher. To personally educate and groom the minds of our youth in a time when children get most of there morals from the social media.

They should be paid just as much as dentists and other health care workers but you should have to demonstrate certain qualities to be considered for a job in the first place.

true but isnt passing the uni degree and maintaining a job enough? im sure the system will work out very quickly if you cant teach

Kelossus · Post by **Kelossus** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:24 pm

I know i am narrow minded but obtaining a uni degree isn't a hard task.

Considering I am not too far removed from my schooling years I have a wealth of memories to relate to. I went to 3 different high schools, a mix of public and private so i have had exposure to a broad spectrum of schooling.

Also I have numerous colleagues who have gone on to study teaching.

I am not too sure of the OP requirements to get in to teaching but it should be on par with engineering and various health care courses.

AshR · Post by **AshR** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:38 pm

yeah teaching is hard to get into because of the way the contracts are structured.

My wife is a teacher and has been on contracts from 3 - 12 months for nearly every school around Melbourne for the last 7 years, with one On-going prospect that she had to give up for my career back in Melbourne (her job we moved to Shepparton for and the job offer I got in Melbourne was too good to say no to)

Keen your chin up Bennie, and contact all the rectruiting people you can, I'll see if I can get some contacts from Ciel so then you have more people doing leg work for you

olddog642 · Post by **olddog642** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:08 am

I may be a bit old fashioned but Teaching should be looked on as a profession not just a job.
Teachers are expected to mould the youth of the day for leadership of the future, therefore they should not only be teaching the three R's but they should also set an example in the way they dress and conduct themselves.
I know that there are those out there that say you should be able to dress how you like but in my honest opinion if you dress like a slob you will tend to carry on like one.
Heck when I went to school the male teachers wore suit and tie or a smart jacket if not a suit, polished leather shoes and sox, the women teachers wore dresses or skirt and a blouse, their hair was always neat and tidy plus they also wore shoes and stockings.
The children in the vast majority of schools had to wear a uniform no ifs buts or maybe and definately no jeans and sloppy joes, those clothes you wore doing chores around the home or on the farm.
Okay I'll get of my high horse and go do something useful.
Hylton:evil::twisted:

purp · Post by **purp** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:46 am

I love kids, but I don't love them enough to put up with them for the money you get. And of all my friends who went into teaching I have yet to find someone totally happy with the employment circus.

YouTube · Post by **El_Freddo** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:20 am

thunder039 wrote:are you teaching in the burbs?

Country schools in a Casual Relief Teacher role - when I can land a day of work. I've got 7 or 8 days for the year, just out doing the number of days in the field with school camp work in term 1.

olddog642 wrote:Yes I agree, however one will find that there are those students who don't want to learn but are also counted. They do become street smart and survive, they also breath and breed thus adding to the pile.
Even if they had the greatest teacher in the world it would make no different.

I don't know about that one Hylton. I think given the right attention and direction anyone is willing to learn - you just need to make it relative to their life and they'll be off. Of course there may be some behaviour issues to deal with first before you meet in the middle.

olddog642 wrote:Perhaps it would be better if the Pollies had to be graded and payed accordingly, the grading to be done by their electoral constituents as to their performance.
Then we may see some reality in the way they look at situation and how to rectify matters , rather than creating smoke screens and bandaid solutions.

Now that would be interesting!

thunder039 wrote:although i dont disagree with a teacher payrise, i also belive be happy with what you currently get. correct me if im wrong bennie but a full time 1st yr teacher gets about 52g a year? not bad a registered nurse in victoria only get about 45g so about 7g a year more is pretty good! and in my field working for the government i only expect to get 40-45 a year so teachers arent to hard done by seeming the hours a good, plenty of holidays

From memory, first year out is 47k - but this was a number of years ago and I could be very wrong!

Kelossus wrote:I believe teaching in society these days isn't valued as much as it should be.

Agreed!

Kelossus wrote:I mean it should be an honour to be a teacher. To personally educate and groom the minds of our youth in a time when children get most of there morals from the social media.

That is a good point, but I think that you will find that teachers don't expect to be honoured, rather it should be something that society bestows upon teachers.

thunder039 wrote:true but isnt passing the uni degree and maintaining a job enough? im sure the system will work out very quickly if you cant teach

Not anymore. Universities are now geared up for academic achievement - meaning that practial learning/engagement doesn't rate highly. For an example, there was a student in the dip ed a number of years ago (not me!) that passed everything with A+ marks EXCEPT the two practicum placements where you prove yourself in the classroom. Due to his excellent marks academically he still came out with his diploma of secondary education! Due to instances such as this we now have the Victorian Institute of Teaching - or VIT for short.

The VIT are responsible for teacher registrations, I'm a "provisionally" registered teacher until I complete a portfolio that fits one of three categories that I can choose. This is then presented to a panel of my peers who then say yay or nay; I then get a tick the online system that then allows me to fill out some other stuff, then I might get randomly selected for audit on my portfolio, if not my full registration is complete for the next five years.

AshR wrote:yeah teaching is hard to get into because of the way the contracts are structured.

And because there are too many teachers out there looking for work!

AshR wrote:Keen your chin up Bennie, and contact all the rectruiting people you can, I'll see if I can get some contacts from Ciel so then you have more people doing leg work for you

Cheers mate! I'll get there, I'm just sick of not knowing what's going to happen in the next 6 months/12 months/18 months. I just need that foot in the door to get me started!

olddog642 wrote:I may be a bit old fashioned but Teaching should be looked on as a profession not just a job.
Teachers are expected to mould the youth of the day for leadership of the future, therefore they should not only be teaching the three R's but they should also set an example in the way they dress and conduct themselves.

I couldn't agree more! This is why I wear a suit and tie when I can - I've had a couple of schools say that it's over the top but personally I don't think so. Wearing "PE attire" to school doesn't sit right with me.

olddog642 wrote:Okay I'll get of my high horse and go do something useful.

No need to Hylton, i agree with what you say about uniforms, staff attire and the quality of the individual's persoanl hygene and presentation - I think it says a lot for the individual and the association they're representing.

Regards

Bennie

pezimm · Post by **pezimm** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:59 am

Kelossus wrote:I believe teaching in society these days isn't valued as much as it should be.

I mean it should be an honour to be a teacher. To personally educate and groom the minds of our youth in a time when children get most of there morals from the social media.

Couldn't agree more!

I once heard that in Japan, the only people the emperor bows to are primary school teachers. Not sure if it is actually true, but I always thought the concept of this simple gesture meant so much...

Pedro.

Cliff R · Post by **Cliff R** » Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:23 am

Having been with the same organisation for the last 33 years plus (NSW Government) and from reading this thread I have no idea about the private sector and how much everyone is being paid.
Nurses at 45K and teacher starting at about 45 to 50K seems too low.
I dont mean to ask people what they are getting paid but I would like to understand exactly what is an "average" wage. ?
I also understand it depends on what the job is to define an answer to my question

thunder039 · Post by **thunder039** » Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:29 am

Cliff R wrote:Having been with the same organisation for the last 33 years plus (NSW Government) and from reading this thread I have no idea about the private sector and how much everyone is being paid.
Nurses at 45K and teacher starting at about 45 to 50K seems too low.
I dont mean to ask people what they are getting paid but I would like to understand exactly what is an "average" wage. ?
I also understand it depends on what the job is to define an answer to my question

thoes figures are for 1st year out of uni. they do increase with time

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:38 am

I think the average wage is $60 k pa, a mates son with his double degrees just keeps sniffing out jobs that pay more in private - recently negotiated double that figure - has a very guilty laugh about it when he tells.
I like to believe I have average potential - yet to see it

How do you make 60k on 22 bucks an hour driving trucks, packing shelves, checkout, retail staff. There is only one Sunday a week that pays $30 an hour for retail which is about construction site hourly rate, some bus drivers.

Know a kid on $60k a year forklifting in a fridge all day

Relief teachers get a nice day rate - if you can get it

http://www.livesalary.com.au/

http://www.news.com.au/business/male-pa ... 1114883151

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:42 am

"The average pay packet might be $57,000, but very few people are actually earning that. it is skewed because of the massive pay packets of the upper end of the scale which hide the fact that most people are earning between $35,000 to $40,000."

Nicki Bourlioufas is the business editor of NEWS.com.au

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/business/male-pa ... z1xFwrhxHE