Pedders VS KYB Shocks and Lovells Springs

sociallydisabled · Post by **sociallydisabled** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 8:13 pm

Hi, got a quote for these 2 options just want to know peoples experiences and opinions.

Pedders SportsRyder Springs and Shocks all round

VS

KYB Shocks and Lovells Springs dont know what kind, aparantly the Sports Package.

any sort of guidance is appreciated.

Cheers,

Adam

Post by **Alex** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:30 pm

what car?

kybs are probably the best option. Tyr and steer clear of lovells tho. They sag pretty quickly. Kings are the best alround option

alex

Wilbur · Post by **Wilbur** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:31 am

Keffa wrote:what car?

Exactly, and intended use would be helpfull too.

sociallydisabled · Post by **sociallydisabled** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:42 am

sorry guys, its a 95 liberty GX AWD Wagon

the old suspension has seen better days and i basicly wanna lower it a bit and improve the cornering and handling hence the "sports" packages.

Cheers, Adam

Wilbur · Post by **Wilbur** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:36 pm

Basic budget set up for the road would be either of those two you mentioned or even subbing in King springs as Keffa said (although I believe they may make pedders coils anyway).

AlpineRaven · Post by **AlpineRaven** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:21 pm

Factory struts are KYB on Liberty. So maybe stick with KYB?

But sounds like you wanna lower it, then Pedders Sports & Kings lowered coils is better.
Cheers
AP

Xtreme_RX · Post by **Xtreme_RX** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:17 pm

Pedders springs are built by king to Pedders specifications (Not the same specs as Kings) Pedders shocks are Monroe re bagged....

KYB are OE for subaru.... Cant go wrong....

discopotato03 · Post by **discopotato03** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:15 pm

Whiteline for springs IMO .

I wouldn't be in any hurry to lower a road car , people rush to do this for some odd reason but this is why it often fails to give good results .

Lowering road cars is a good way to get the body closer to its bump stops and when they hit them its nasty and not doing handling any favours .
To make a car with less bump or compression travel work the spring rates have to be high enough to try to prevent the car from bottoming on its bump stops . The lower it is the higher the spring rates need to be .

People claim that a lower car has a lower center of gravity , but if the geometry is screwed up in the process and the car hits its stops often - it won't handle anyway .

If your springs have sagged by all means replace them - possibly with slightly higher rate ones which control body roll better and resist nose dive under brakes .

Imo step 2 is to do something with anti roll bars and with a predominantly FrWD design you change the rear one first .

I would be looking at those aftermarket bushes that fit at the rear of the front "A" arms to increase caster .
I would also see how much adjustment you can get where the two bolts/nuts hold the front struts to the uprights (knuckles) . I'm pretty sure Whiteline amongst others sell eccentric camber adjustment bolts and you may be able to use two in each side depending on what camber settings you want .

So basically reduce body roll (springs/bars) and dial out some of the understeer with front camber/caster changes .

I wouldn't run bigger that 16" wheels and 15 would be fine (unsprung weight) . On 16s figure on 50 profile or 55/60 on 15s , the sweet spot price wise is 205/50/16 or 205/60/15 .
I'd much rather have a good 205 like say a Michelin or Yokohama than a cheap nasty 215/225 width tyre , wider isn't better if the compound and carcase is garbage .
Lastly tyres that bag out because they're wider than the rim should have is an exercise in stupidity , only idiots do this .

Its a lot of fun running rings around cap on backwards Wally mobiles when driving a std height car - with its factory wheels .

Ultra low = ultra PITA , I don't have all day to crawl diagonally over speed humps and drive ways , my car V rarely bottoms out .

Dampers ? Of the two mentioned KYB over Monroe trash every time .
I think some later Libs (Heritage ?) came with Bilsteins so 2nd hand in reasonable order would be the cats whiskers . They can be rebuilt too if they are not bent .

Cheers A .

AlpineRaven · Post by **AlpineRaven** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 8:22 am

Bilsteins can be found on some Gen 2 RX Liberty & some Heritage, Gen3 B4, as well.. they're pretty hard to get and expensive as well but good thing about them they can be reconditioned.
Cheers
AP

discopotato03 · Post by **discopotato03** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:57 am

IMO it doesn't get any better within sane relms for a street car , Yellow sport Bilsteins are hard to beat .

A .

sociallydisabled · Post by **sociallydisabled** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:56 pm

Thanks for the replies guys, i have gone for the kyp and lovells just for personal reasons, im getting a sports kit, lowered 35mm just for the wank factor.

Obviously this is going to cause alignment issues. can these be re adjusted on the factory parts, as i have looked underneath and i cant really see where the adjustments are made, im used to mini suspension.

cheers guys