Leone RX suspension lowering

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:29 am

RLC248 is a lowered L series rear coilspring - not sedan/wagon differentiated , 189.00 a pair

Gannon · Post by **Gannon** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:55 pm

I asked the guy from King...
"Wow those spring rates seem much higher than the 160lb/in and 197lb/in stated in the factory service manual for sedan and wagon. Do you know if this makes the car sit higher, or are your springs slightly shorter to allow for the higher rate?"

His reply was
"Yes, the springs are slightly shorter in free height to compensate for the extra spring rate"

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:28 pm

Sounds like your best bet .....

Gannon · Post by **Gannon** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:55 pm

Gannon wrote: 260mm compressed with empty fuel tank and boot

So I measured from top of top hat to bottom of bottom perch which appears to be 260mm, so say 255mm spring length.
If the King replacements have a free length of 280mm, that means that they only have to compress 25mm to achieve the same height I have now.
So if the Kings fit in the strut between the top and bottom perches without being loose, does this mean my wagon springs only compress 25mm with the weight of the car on them? Surely not?

Or am I thinking of this arse about?

Or are the wagon springs much more compressed when encapsulated in the strut?
I really need to measure the free length of a wagon coil

MTB92 · Post by **MTB92** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:14 pm

dont know if this will help you.

I just measured the free length of a stock shagged wagon spring, and is 310mm.
the king spring are definitely shorter for the wagons in free length, I cant measure these for you, as they are in my car. I do know that i can put king springs in without a spring press on the rear, but required a press to put standard springs in, even though the standard ones are much 'softer'.

In the car, however, the kings sit slightly higher (i would guess 15mm, but haven't measured). in my opinion they give a much better ride, but that doesn't help you if you are trying to get lower.

cant comment on sedan springs, but that is what i know of the wagon springs.

Gannon · Post by **Gannon** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:32 pm

Thanks mate that is a huge help. 310mm free length so that means that they are 55mm compressed when in my car.

Can you do me a favour and measure the compressed length of your new Kings like I have in the above photo? A photo like above would be a bonus also.

MTB92 · Post by **MTB92** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:04 pm

on a slight slope.
225mm short side, 235mm high side.
that is quite an awkward spot to take a photo from at night on wet ground

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Edit: I should also mention the front is on slightly higher ground, so i think that will be slightly more compressed than actual.

Gannon · Post by **Gannon** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:07 pm

Awesome photo, thankyou.

Quite a bit shorter than I was expecting, I wonder what the weight difference is between the rear of a sedan and a wagon?

So were you holding the start of the tape on the top of the top spring seat, or just below it?

MTB92 · Post by **MTB92** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:16 pm

no idea on weight, never even touched a sedan.

and just below where it curves. about the same as where the 235mm mark sits on the lower seat. but i was just going of touch really.

Gannon · Post by **Gannon** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:28 pm

Ah see I measured differently. But it appears that there is about 10mm in each end, so that makes yours about 250mm, which makes it pretty similar to mine.

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:20 pm

Not sure if I have said this before - with the rears in my Vortex I measured as being 130mm from bolt centre to the underside of the spring seat , with the car seated on flat flor, the compressed state of the std RX rear coil , yellow daub , measured from the top side of the top cup, but at its lowest point - the dip ,down to the underside of the spring seat is just under 200mm , call it 197mm

Looking back a few pages you have much the same strut 125 ~130 , yet with my spring I have about 50 or 60mm less compressed height of the spring and seats, with the weight of the Vorts bum, 1/4 tank of 98.

Yes, now you need to decide if the Kings rear coils are gonna be as good a height drop .......

Hope this sheds some more light

Gannon · Post by **Gannon** » Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:07 pm

I hope Nev doesnt mind, but this is a photo he sent me of an 11mm thick sedan King coil in its compressed state in his Vortex. Looks to be around the 200mm mark, but with a much higher spring rate than the standard RX spring, 245lb vs 180lb.

Maybe sedan King replacements will do the job

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:19 pm

aw gees, not only does Neville use plastic verniers - he uses those dual measure tapes

Thought to be one cause of wrongly marked cuts when one part of the brain lines up an imperial mark as one for mm !

Looks like it is gonna be the Kings sedan coils ......

nncoolg · Post by **nncoolg** » Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:46 pm

yeah, yeah, yeah. Its not like I used a 3D ruler from dreamworld

Gannon · Post by **Gannon** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 3:44 pm

Nev has thrown me 2 springs that were of no use to him, so I have measured them to compare

Pink and orange daub, wagon spring 310mm long and 10.8mm wire
Yellow and orange daub, im guessing sedan spring 285mm long with 10mm wire

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:45 pm

You can almost imagine Jonno when he spots a Royale parked on the side of the road ??? Couldn't see the bloody colours could I

10mm or 9.9 ? Think I ID'd fwd rear coils as 9.9 and RX 10.4mm wire

nncoolg · Post by **nncoolg** » Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:48 pm

Does anyone know what colour paint daubs are on front RX springs?

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:44 pm

Neville, wind things back one step ...checked ya catalogue to see if there is a part number for left, another for right ? Coz we found that with the Vorts.
Different part numbers were different colour daubs too !

I'll check my psuedo RX as I believe it has RX suspension in it - they guy I bought it off mumbled something about $600 suspension in it, when I paid him that for the car. Didn't tell him the rear brakes were worth that much alone

The rear coils are true RX

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:18 pm

OK

the lowest coil of the RHS has a ...bloody near forgot ...white daub, next coil up is a blue, lighter than mid blue.

LHS has a yellow blob on bottom coil to match rear RX coils, and then a blue on next coil up

Hope they are not colours found on 4WD wagons...think blue /white combo was off a FWD Royale sedan, coz that is what's in my Vortex and that is what they are out of, so not true RX fronts ?

nncoolg · Post by **nncoolg** » Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:51 pm

Anyone else happen to have an RX with factory coils under it?