Just Straps - beginner

Jerrad · Post by **Jerrad** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:32 pm

G'day fellas!
Im just starting out offroading, I have a tow rope and few other odds and bods but Im looking at getting -

https://juststraps.com.au/Default.asp?
Medium Recovery Kit
Genuine Just Straps Australian Made Quality! with fully protected sewn eyes at both ends for ease of connecting. Excellent mid range size kit which contains Medium Snatch Strap SS659, Premium Tree Protector TTP7535, Premium Winch Strap WES5510, 2 x 3.2 Tonne Bow Shackles, 1 x 4.7 Tonne Bow Shackle, Pair of Gloves in Large 4 pocket Recovery bag.
Normally $261.80 SPECIAL PRICE $196.35 for a limited time only

Do you think this will be alright for a starter kit? It seems good deal for the price? As my thread Im trying to do everything on a budget!
Advise please!

If I could figure out how to make a signiture work then Id link my Thread and say Thanks! Jerrad!
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INEEDABEER · Post by **INEEDABEER** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:34 am

You could probably do without the winch straps and tree protector. A good start would be a good quality snatch strap and some rated shackles. You don't need the winching items as not many Subes have a winch. A good bag is handy as well to use as an "air brake" when snatching. I would think you could do this for less than $100. Does your car have a decent recovery point?

spike · Post by **spike** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:22 pm

INEEDABEER wrote:You could probably do without the winch straps and tree protector. A good start would be a good quality snatch strap and some rated shackles. You don't need the winching items as not many Subes have a winch. ?

hand winch comes in handy, probably a lot handier than a mounted electruc one

B00sting · Post by **B00sting** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:16 pm

spike wrote:hand winch comes in handy, probably a lot handier than a mounted electruc one

if you have 900 to spare theres a goo quality t516d with pulley block and 20m cable on ebay right now.

id buy it but i'm only missing the cable at this point!

GOD · Post by **GOD** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:19 pm

If you always go 4wding with a friend, just a snatchie and two shackles will do. If you go out alone, you should have either a shovel and a strong back, or a winch and winch straps .

But if you're keen to have all the gear, that kit is a pretty good value way to get it.

B00sting wrote:if you have 900 to spare theres a goo quality t516d with pulley block and 20m cable on ebay right now.

what?

Dane.

B00sting · Post by **B00sting** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:37 pm

GOD wrote:If you always go 4wding with a friend, just a snatchie and two shackles will do. If you go out alone, you should have either a shovel and a strong back, or a winch and winch straps .

But if you're keen to have all the gear, that kit is a pretty good value way to get it.

what?

Dane.

Sorry, should have been more specific.

There is a good quality hand winch on ebay currently. The brand is Tirfor (Tractel). They are the best hand winches IMO. Can easily recover a car.

longy99gt · Post by **longy99gt** » Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:58 pm

2 Shackles, (10-15ea)
Medium Snatch strap (6000-7000kgmax!!) (50-90ea) get a good one with protected ends, bushranger make a decent one at that rating
Dampener!
and a bridle for attaching to the front of the car! unfortunately they are about 130 bux

but i've used it that many times on mine and my mates cars its certainly worth it for safe recoveries!

I got out a fair bit, and thats some of the essentials i take every time
other things are the shovel, and Xtrax, tire gauge and compressor.

Longy

Post by **yarney** » Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:16 pm

INEEDABEER wrote:You could probably do without the winch straps and tree protector. A good start would be a good quality snatch strap and some rated shackles. You don't need the winching items as not many Subes have a winch. A good bag is handy as well to use as an "air brake" when snatching. I would think you could do this for less than $100. Does your car have a decent recovery point?

As said above that's all you need
If you are thinking of going out on your own then a Tirfor would be the thing to get also but they are hard work and slow.

Jan

thunder039 · Post by **thunder039** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 9:05 am

longy99gt wrote:2 Shackles, (10-15ea)
Medium Snatch strap (6000-7000kgmax!!) (50-90ea) get a good one with protected ends, bushranger make a decent one at that rating
Dampener!
and a bridle for attaching to the front of the car! unfortunately they are about 130 bux
but i've used it that many times on mine and my mates cars its certainly worth it for safe recoveries!

I got out a fair bit, and thats some of the essentials i take every time
other things are the shovel, and Xtrax, tire gauge and compressor.

Longy

first off whats a bridle?
so a medium snatchy will be fine for a forester? looking to get myself a kit together at his point aswell.
can anyone suggest were is a good place go look for price and range

purp · Post by **purp** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:03 am

thunder039 wrote:first off whats a bridle?

Wondered that myself. After some googling, it appears to be a term taken from the bridle used on a horse.

In the 4wd world it appears to be used for a strap used to pull from both of the attachment points on the front of a vehicle (particularly useful when neither point is especially strong, such as on most subis).

eg:

thunder039 · Post by **thunder039** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:32 am

purp wrote:Wondered that myself. After some googling, it appears to be a term taken from the bridle used on a horse.

In the 4wd world it appears to be used for a strap used to pull from both of the attachment points on the front of a vehicle (particularly useful when neither point is especially strong, such as on most subis).

eg:

thanks for that. would make sense do have one.
how strong are the tow point on a forester, anyone know?

thunder039 · Post by **thunder039** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:43 pm

was looking at kit like this http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Ironman-4x4- ... 3f14f0cbb8
peoples thoughts?

NachaLuva · Post by **NachaLuva** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:57 pm

thunder039 wrote:first off whats a bridle?

"distribution strap" is the term used more often.

thunder039 wrote:was looking at kit like this http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Ironman-4x4- ... 3f14f0cbb8
peoples thoughts?

As a kit its not bad value BUT...its an 8T snatch. You want 5T max for our little Subies. Any more & it just doesnt have the stretch required & you risk pulling a tie down point or worse!

Plus you still need to get a distribution strap.

I have:

RIDGE RYDER 5,000KG SUV SNATCH STRAP - Supercheap Auto Australia has done well in tests

Plus:
RIDGE RYDER 8,000KG EQUALIZER STRAP - Supercheap Auto Australia

and:
BLACK RAT 4.7 TONS 19x22 mm BOW SHACKLE - eBay
BLACK RAT 3.2 TONS 16x19 mm x2 BOW SHACKLES - eBay

Leather gloves are $5 from Bunnings & Im using an old day pack but any bag will do.
I also use the tow bar tongue (with ball removed) as the tow point.

Total cost is $120.

thunder039 wrote: how strong are the tow point on a forester, anyone know?

Not very, hence the need to "distribute" the strain between both tie down points.

Also note, Subies dont have "tow points", they have "tie down points", used for tying down the car on a tow truck. As such, they are as weak as p***! Several people on these forums have damaged theirs. Taza has even ripped his out, causing considerable damage!

Another reason to use as light a snatch as possible, so that is the weakest link. If the tie down point or shackle breaks, it can fly through the air like a whip & easily go through a windscreen or anyone in the way.

Note also, NEVER EVER use a tow ball as a tow point...it can snap off & has caused deaths. If you remove the ball, the tongue makes an excellent tow point & a 4.7T shackle fits here. Use 3.2T shackles for the front points

thunder039 · Post by **thunder039** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:22 pm

nachaluva
i basically brought esactly what links you put up.
plus the tow bar recovery hitch which is also ridge rider, they seem to be a good price

taza · Post by **taza** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:39 pm

I would say the front tow points are very very strong for what they are but you should definately use a distribution strap.

When mine got ripped I was really really stuck. It didn't rip the point off just where it attached to it ripped the body work. With a good few tonnes of force though on it! But using both with a strap to snatch from I wouldn't be worried about at all.

We live and learn though and the best way is to learn from your mistakes!

How my car came out after this. If I had Maxtrax though I would of been out in about 30mins tops with abit of digging compared to 7hours bogged! I luckily finally found someone though who was able to pull me out.

Note: its steeper than it looks and when i had to turn at the top i just ran out of clearance.

thunder039 · Post by **thunder039** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:50 pm

unlucky! hopefully the distribution strap will prevent that

thunder039 · Post by **thunder039** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:51 pm

good pics by the way, i only have one or two from when i got beached realy bad in a muddy rut, wasnt fun trying to get out with rope! hence why i decided to get snatchy's!

taza · Post by **taza** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:56 pm

thunder039 wrote:good pics by the way, i only have one or two from when i got beached realy bad in a muddy rut, wasnt fun trying to get out with rope! hence why i decided to get snatchy's!

Can you post them up? Ive found with my 2.5inch of lift at the moment it makes alot of difference, just the bumpers are the problem really.

When stuck in ruts and that you don't really want to be snatched but more slowly pulled as snatching could cause you to hit something else, generally something hard like a rock and do other damage. This is from my experience though.

I actaully spent a heap of time last night going through all my pics and vids of my car when offroading and most of the car being stock. Some of it was really funny and some of the stuff my friends and I did!

thunder039 · Post by **thunder039** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:02 pm

no pics at the moment still on the phone, even with my 1.5inch lift i have noticed its a huge improvement, tires and sump guard still on the way when funds will allow. dont think much else will follow that

taza · Post by **taza** » Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:05 pm

thunder039 wrote:no pics at the moment still on the phone, even with my 1.5inch lift i have noticed its a huge improvement, tires and sump guard still on the way when funds will allow. dont think much else will follow that

Really?? That sucks, I am slowly modding her so shes good on and offroad. The LSD's should make onroad performance better too added with the extra power from the superchager. Body roll is something that needs improving too.