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Post by AlpineRaven » Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:28 pm

rtcb65 wrote:Hey A.R.

This is a test run. 1/ to see if we can do it.
2/ The low range and 5th gear
3/ to get to know the box so later we can remove the low range to put in a awd box , if i can ever find one.
Fair enough.. yeah it'll work out well. If its gonna be highway car with low amount of hills you could consider fitting taller ratios.
You could use single range box instead of removing low range or find dual range AWD box.
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Subarus that I have/had:
1995 Liberty "Rallye" - 5MT AWD, LSD - *written off 25/8/06 in towing accident.
1996 Liberty Wagon - SkiFX AWD 5MT D/R, Lifted.. Outback Sway Bar, 1.59:1 Low Gearing see thread: 1.59:1 in EJ Box Page
Sold at 385,000kms in July 2011.
2007 Liberty BP Wagon, 2.5i automatic
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Post by rtcb65 » Wed Aug 26, 2009 5:39 pm

Here are some picks i hope can help any one wishing to make up the selectors for the conversion. The gear stick shape is a personal thing of course. Shape it to suit your self.

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Post by the gumbi brumby » Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:14 pm

good thread this one
now begining to dought i can pull it off alone
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Post by rtcb65 » Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:20 pm

Another small update on the thread. We used the L series starter , but it needs to be spaced out abit. Most people put a washer between the starter and the bell housing. I personally didn't like that. I am just picky. So made up a spacer plate to do the job.

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When it came to the gearbox mounts. the L series are newer so we picked them. With that choice , new mounts to attach the mount to the box had to be made.

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Depending if you have a lift kit or not the manual sway bar may get in the way. If you have a 2" lift or more , it doesn't seem to matter. If not lifted , you may need to swap out the manual sway bar for the auto. The auto one has a small curl piece in it.
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Post by Matt » Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:01 pm

Hey guys about how much needs to be cut off the linkages? Could you maybe post up some pics with deminsions add to them in paint or something?

Side note can you email me your address rick so i can get that engine drop off. :-)

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'86 Brumby - Dual Port Heads, 5 Speed Dual Range, Custom Cam, Tuned Weber, Tuned Suspension, 2" Body Lift Kit, LSD, 14" rims, 2.25" Exhaust, Snorkel, Dual Batteries, DVD Player, UHF, VHF, etc. Offically now part of the 350, 000 km Club! :) And still pulling like a freight train.
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Post by rtcb65 » Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:36 pm

Just remembered one other thing. Tail shaft : some people get a one piece shaft made to fit. Others put a flat piece of flat steel across the floor and bolt the two piece ( L series ) shaft to it. Not good idea in my eyes , torque could twist it. So what we did for Ross's car was to make up a cross member with the mounts on it.

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Post by steptoe » Wed Sep 09, 2009 9:15 am

NO LINKAGE CUT on L Series 5 speed d/r 4WD into my MV Brumby, same as MY body.

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Post by rtcb65 » Wed Sep 09, 2009 3:36 pm

steptoe wrote:NO LINKAGE CUT on L Series 5 speed d/r 4WD into my MV Brumby, same as MY body.
You were lucky steptoe. On the M.Y. wagon, to get the gear stick to come up through the M.Y. shifter hole nice and neat, we had to do the cuts. Did you have to do any body cutting of any kind to get your set to fit. The way we did it , no cutting to the body of any kind was done. Sorry, 1 hole was drilled, to assist the mounting of the back of the shifter mount.
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Post by Matt » Sat Sep 19, 2009 10:17 pm

Hey guys, How far do you need to space the starter motor out from the bell housing?
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82 MY Wagon - EA81T, RS Liberty WIAC, 5 Speed Dual Range, Tuned Suspension, 14" Rims 27" Tyres, 2" Body Lift Kit, Apline Head unit, UHF, Roof Console, L Series seats, Soon to have New Paint, snorkel, Dual batteries, etc
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Post by rtcb65 » Sat Sep 19, 2009 10:22 pm

Matt wrote:Hey guys, How far do you need to space the starter motor out from the bell housing?
Hey Matt, Most space the L series starter the thickness of a good heavy washer. That is the thickness we used to make the spacer plate.

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Post by steptoe » Sun Sep 20, 2009 4:27 am

or standard thickness of an aluminium keep left sign

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Post by Matt » Sun Sep 20, 2009 12:33 pm

Thanks i will have to buy some washers and then get one plasma cut out later of a keep left sign :-), i am just building my cross member for the center bearing mounting now. Man there is some serious work in it... But the results will be worth it knowing it has to twist the chassis instead of the floor.
How much did the 1 piece tailshaft cost to get done? and where did you have it done?
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'86 Brumby - Dual Port Heads, 5 Speed Dual Range, Custom Cam, Tuned Weber, Tuned Suspension, 2" Body Lift Kit, LSD, 14" rims, 2.25" Exhaust, Snorkel, Dual Batteries, DVD Player, UHF, VHF, etc. Offically now part of the 350, 000 km Club! :) And still pulling like a freight train.
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"Claudia"
82 MY Wagon - EA81T, RS Liberty WIAC, 5 Speed Dual Range, Tuned Suspension, 14" Rims 27" Tyres, 2" Body Lift Kit, Apline Head unit, UHF, Roof Console, L Series seats, Soon to have New Paint, snorkel, Dual batteries, etc
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Post by AlpineRaven » Sun Sep 20, 2009 5:49 pm

steptoe wrote:or standard thickness of an aluminium keep left sign
works out to be 4mm or something?
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Subarus that I have/had:
1995 Liberty "Rallye" - 5MT AWD, LSD - *written off 25/8/06 in towing accident.
1996 Liberty Wagon - SkiFX AWD 5MT D/R, Lifted.. Outback Sway Bar, 1.59:1 Low Gearing see thread: 1.59:1 in EJ Box Page
Sold at 385,000kms in July 2011.
2007 Liberty BP Wagon, 2.5i automatic
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Post by 555Ron » Sun Jun 26, 2011 7:33 pm

Does anyone have a parts manual picture of the l-series linkages? (trying to get Subaru part no.s) I put some new bushes into my old L-series but no longer have the part numbers of what i bought. I am hoping to do a 5-speed into brumby conversion just thought while i was putting it together i'd give the linkages a birthday...

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Post by Matt » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:36 am

PM Username "Frog" on here or email him at AGreen@domsmotors.com.au. Andy is our Subaru Parts Gensis and will be able to get the bushes nice and cheaply! :) Or call 02 6964 1177
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'86 Brumby - Dual Port Heads, 5 Speed Dual Range, Custom Cam, Tuned Weber, Tuned Suspension, 2" Body Lift Kit, LSD, 14" rims, 2.25" Exhaust, Snorkel, Dual Batteries, DVD Player, UHF, VHF, etc. Offically now part of the 350, 000 km Club! :) And still pulling like a freight train.
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82 MY Wagon - EA81T, RS Liberty WIAC, 5 Speed Dual Range, Tuned Suspension, 14" Rims 27" Tyres, 2" Body Lift Kit, Apline Head unit, UHF, Roof Console, L Series seats, Soon to have New Paint, snorkel, Dual batteries, etc
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Post by 32ford » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:22 am

I am doing the 5 speed to brumby conversion and got a cable made that is brumby at the pedal but L series length, all brand new inner,outer,grommets, fittings on the ends for $160. flexible drive agencies said they could have used a second hand l cable and just swapped the end, but I decided that brand new and teflon lined would be better.

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Post by 32ford » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:31 am

forgot to say I also got a brand new tailshaft made by adelaide drive shaft services. it has nissan uni at the gearbox end and holden at the other, both uni joints are rebuildable and have grease nipples. the shaft size is heaps bigger to avoid whip and it came painted and balanced for $299.55

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Post by steptoe » Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:03 am

Well worth a bit of a bump this thread :)

Observations over the years are to watch out for throw out bearing where it hits the fingers due to some differences of clutches in use between EA81 and EA82.

The diameter of the hole where all fingers point to each other differs, and depending on which clutch combo you go for could have the throwout bearing pushing a little further out from most central leverage point on the fingers.

Also not mentioned here , dont think, is if using the smaller EA81 clutch diameter ~ 8" ~(200mm) due to flywheel choice... I used the friction plate for Holden Gemini 1.6l petrol RWD - only one to choose from. It has a 0.1mm difference in the input spline measures and allows you to continue using the smaller pressure plate. Think I also used L series throw out bearing ? and clutch fork.

Pedals - I used MY pedal, Rick has used L series pedal - don't try install an L pedal box as suggested sometimes, unless you want unneccessary work. There is a difference in the length of the lever action - L for Longer = softer pedal ? Looks like the L pedal trick works.

No lever work involved for me as I used a matching grey (rare) L series console

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Post by coxy » Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:11 pm

Apparently one of the Nissan or Isuzu throw-out bearings fits the bill, when using an EA 82 Clutch Plate with an EA 81 Flywheel, probably something along the lines of early Navara or maybe even Nissan 720 Ute and likely Early Rodeo in Australia or Frontera as I believe that is what they call a Trooper in America which is rumored to fit.This gives you a throwout bearing that fits the larger L series Inout shaft and lines up nicely with the fingers of a 225mm EA81 Pressure plate obviating the need to machine the EA 81 flywheel or adapt an EA 82 Flywheel to anable the use of a full EA82 Clutch assy.

And speaking of America when doing the MY or MV (Brumby/Brat) L series Five Speed conversion, many new guys end up on both forums USMB and AuSubaru chasing information and I have yet to see anyone actually point out this important aspect.

When it comes to clutch cables you will often read in the USA they use the original MY or Brat Clutch cable, These are not an option in New Zealand , Australia or anywhere else that is Right Hand Drive unless you want to convert to Left hand driver as party of the Gearbox swap.

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