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Post by phantomD » Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:21 pm

They're not really that heavy! I can safely lift a complete EA81 onto the back of a Brumby without any trouble.

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Post by Brumby Kid » Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:28 pm

phantomD wrote:They're not really that heavy! I can safely lift a complete EA81 onto the back of a Brumby without any trouble.
Yes Daniel lifted his EA82 out by himself, though he had no front end to worry about.
It's easy to lift them out, but carefully placing them back in is something else.
I know the Oh Sh!t moments, when you think your about to drop it, or when 3 litres of coolant spills out of the water jacket, and everything becomes slippery. :rolleyes:

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EA81 Rebuilt by Tony Knight from knight Engines
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Post by Silverbullet » Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:06 pm

Brumby Kid wrote:It's easy to lift them out, but carefully placing them back in is something else.
Bloody oath, even with a crane it's a pain in the posterior; you get the engine mount studs into the X-member, the bellhousing studs into the gearbox, all is going really well until the input shaft gets snagged on something and the whole lot just pivots around it not going anywhere and you have to pull the whole lot out to change the angle the engine is hanging on the crane :???: A properly aligned clutch will help prevent this sort of problem :rolleyes:
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Post by mud_king91 » Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:14 pm

yea my back still hurts from lifting it out let alone thinking about the back in part
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Post by revmax » Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:34 pm

If you have lifing point in the roof I used one of these.
https://www.gasweld.com.au/products/532654
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"B1" 90 Brumby with character 271,800K EA81 (But soon 5speed,103,000k EJ202)
"B2" wrecked and crushed
"B3" 89 Bush Bashing Brumby (BeeRumBee) Kept a Bucca
"B4" 89 Black Brumby (wam balam ) Kept at Kempsey
"B5" 92 Brumby (sold it)
"B6" 88 Beige Brumby
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Post by El_Freddo » Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:41 am

Silverbullet wrote:Only takes 2 people to lift normally off the ground but I'm trying to figure out how they lifted it out of the engine bay...blood sweat and tears? :p
phantomD wrote:They're not really that heavy! I can safely lift a complete EA81 onto the back of a Brumby without any trouble.
I've lifted my old EA82 out with three blokes before. While it's easy to move the engine around with one or two - once you're leaning forward trying to drop the weight IN the engine bay it's not so easy. Doing it with one onto the back of the brumby is simple, you're still up high and you've got plenty of space to play with ;)

I think I'm not far off from this task either Brumby Kid. I question I'm asking is: Should we do a full rebuild or just the HG's?

How many k's has this engine got on it?

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Post by Green_eyed_liberty » Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:26 am

is this a common problem with the head gasket blowing and mixing water and oil? mine has just done the same this with that creamy crap coming up into the airfilter box.

mine was the passanger side, and still waiting to get the heads back from being machined

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Post by Backyard_Brumby » Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:40 pm

Yeah we just put the lot back into the our brumby project. My old man and I are not small lads by any means and we could lift the engine easily but attempted to put it back in and you just end up wasting time and needing to have a few extra beers to dull the pain in your back from leaning over. We just got a block and tackle off a boxing/chin up stand and it just meant we could line it up nice and easily without scratching paint.
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Post by d_generate » Sat Jan 28, 2012 4:40 pm

Hire an engine crane for the day when it goes back in.....much cheaper than back surgery.
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Post by Brumby Kid » Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:25 pm

Yep, thats what we are thinking d_generate.
295,000 Km Bennie, I hopr to see it go another 300,000 at least.
With 4WD ing, and Roadtrips, inc.
So far i have...
VRS Kit
Welch Plugs (Brass)
Leads
Spark Plugs
Sump is off.
Coil coming

Think thats it.
I really dont want to split the block.
What do you guys think?

EDIT: I pretty much want a bloody solid, reliable EA81 that will go offroad for me aswell as do long country roadtrips. (Am I asking too much?)
When life gives you a corner, drop a gear, pitch, and stomp the loud pedal
Bianca: 1991 Subaru Brumby
My First / Project car

EA81 Rebuilt by Tony Knight from knight Engines
2" body lift
25" 185r14 Yokahama Delivery Star, light truck tyres
2" Sports exhaust
Rear Aguip step/bar
Liberty seats
"Bianca"
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Post by Brumby Kid » Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:41 pm

Engine Blow By/Back. Is this where you can feel air coming out of the air cox instead of sucking?
What can you do? Coz iz I have to split the block for that im gonna be pissed.

Cheers Cam
When life gives you a corner, drop a gear, pitch, and stomp the loud pedal
Bianca: 1991 Subaru Brumby
My First / Project car

EA81 Rebuilt by Tony Knight from knight Engines
2" body lift
25" 185r14 Yokahama Delivery Star, light truck tyres
2" Sports exhaust
Rear Aguip step/bar
Liberty seats
"Bianca"
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Dads Car: 02 Impreza WRX STi
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Post by Silverbullet » Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:38 pm

I believe blow-by is where combustion gas is escaping past the piston rings into the crank case. I dunno if you'd feel it blowing out through the air cleaner since I've never experienced it but if you do have it you'd need new rings and a cylinder hone so yes splitting the block would be necessary. Don't worry it's not that hard ;)

While you had the engine running did you do a comp test? I think I've heard somewhere you can do a comp test dry first, then put a squirt of oil or two down the spark plug hole and do it again and if the pressure rises after the oil then the rings are worn. The squirt of oil seals the rings slightly for a few revolutions giving you a higher reading.
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Post by Brumby Kid » Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:39 pm

Nah, didn't get a comp test.
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Bianca: 1991 Subaru Brumby
My First / Project car

EA81 Rebuilt by Tony Knight from knight Engines
2" body lift
25" 185r14 Yokahama Delivery Star, light truck tyres
2" Sports exhaust
Rear Aguip step/bar
Liberty seats
"Bianca"
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Dads Car: 02 Impreza WRX STi
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Post by revmax » Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:35 pm

Rings can be fitted without spliting the block but a better job of honing the bores can be done if you do split the block. But it can be honed with the block still intact, just a little more care is required. Would I split the block on this engine. No ! but I would waste no time getting it backtogether to run fresh oil through it.
"THE BRUMBY ! , Your not taking the Brumby I just dry cleaned the mud flaps."
Current
00 Outback with class, SOHC EJ25 auto 240,068ks
"B1" 90 Brumby with character 271,800K EA81 (But soon 5speed,103,000k EJ202)
"B2" wrecked and crushed
"B3" 89 Bush Bashing Brumby (BeeRumBee) Kept a Bucca
"B4" 89 Black Brumby (wam balam ) Kept at Kempsey
"B5" 92 Brumby (sold it)
"B6" 88 Beige Brumby
"W1" 83 wagon 308,000 AC and alot of rust repairs. (Wanda)
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Post by Brumby Kid » Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:54 pm

Please eleberate revmax. Especially on how to...

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Bianca: 1991 Subaru Brumby
My First / Project car

EA81 Rebuilt by Tony Knight from knight Engines
2" body lift
25" 185r14 Yokahama Delivery Star, light truck tyres
2" Sports exhaust
Rear Aguip step/bar
Liberty seats
"Bianca"
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Dads Car: 02 Impreza WRX STi
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Post by Silverbullet » Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:50 pm

revmax wrote:Rings can be fitted without spliting the block but a better job of honing the bores can be done if you do split the block. But it can be honed with the block still intact, just a little more care is required.
Yeah revmax do tell :) I've remembered you take the pistons out before splitting the block so you could change the rings, but if you left it intact while you honed it surely the connecting rods would get in the way? and all the honing fluid/metal dust would get into the crank assembly?
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Post by revmax » Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:31 am

I haven't done it but put plenty of thought into it if I ever had to.
With pistons removed rotate the crank so the selected cyl's rod is at the bottom.
Cut a circle of say 1/2" thick high density foam with a slot 2/3 of the way through it as far down in the cyl as possible. This foam will support the rod and keep it central and stop debree from going to far down. Plug the little end of the rod with a nicley cut piece of the same foam

The engine stand can be rotated so honing debree will flow out the cyl.
Then just get a 3 stone hone some kero (use a hand pump style squirty bottle, ya dont need much) and give the bore a lickin, just be carefull how far you go down. (or up cause the cyl you are honing is on a doward incline remember)
get some good clean rags with some solvent and wipe the bore clean, then go on to the next cyl.
"THE BRUMBY ! , Your not taking the Brumby I just dry cleaned the mud flaps."
Current
00 Outback with class, SOHC EJ25 auto 240,068ks
"B1" 90 Brumby with character 271,800K EA81 (But soon 5speed,103,000k EJ202)
"B2" wrecked and crushed
"B3" 89 Bush Bashing Brumby (BeeRumBee) Kept a Bucca
"B4" 89 Black Brumby (wam balam ) Kept at Kempsey
"B5" 92 Brumby (sold it)
"B6" 88 Beige Brumby
"W1" 83 wagon 308,000 AC and alot of rust repairs. (Wanda)
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Post by steptoe » Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:59 am

Not much more effort to split the block, I'd be goin' the whole hog. MAN! Some hot dyno shop crowd had a young guys awd Mitsu GSR Lancer in their sho for some work - the invoice stated they honed the bores, no new rings or nuffin', honed the bores above the pistons - ran like poo after - poor rings. Same shop had a good rep until they did timing belts on a twin turbo import, commented on the car and engine is all very good condition. 100km later there is suddenly no water in the engine, on the way to an interstate funeral she stops , dead - boat anchor material. Thought is the cooling system was not bled of air - workshop taken to court and lost against them :(

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Post by Brumby Kid » Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:22 am

Yeah ok,
How would you get the pistons out?
Splitting the block sounds easier.
What are the cons of doing so? Im looking at Sam in particular.
Now is there a way to test for the piston rings, as i know it could also have been the head gasket, or an impropely seated valve, or valve seal thingy.
Thoughts Please.

Cheers Cam
When life gives you a corner, drop a gear, pitch, and stomp the loud pedal
Bianca: 1991 Subaru Brumby
My First / Project car

EA81 Rebuilt by Tony Knight from knight Engines
2" body lift
25" 185r14 Yokahama Delivery Star, light truck tyres
2" Sports exhaust
Rear Aguip step/bar
Liberty seats
"Bianca"
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Dads Car: 02 Impreza WRX STi
Mums Car 08 Liberty Wagon

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Post by revmax » Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:00 am

think you blokes have missed the point
"THE BRUMBY ! , Your not taking the Brumby I just dry cleaned the mud flaps."
Current
00 Outback with class, SOHC EJ25 auto 240,068ks
"B1" 90 Brumby with character 271,800K EA81 (But soon 5speed,103,000k EJ202)
"B2" wrecked and crushed
"B3" 89 Bush Bashing Brumby (BeeRumBee) Kept a Bucca
"B4" 89 Black Brumby (wam balam ) Kept at Kempsey
"B5" 92 Brumby (sold it)
"B6" 88 Beige Brumby
"W1" 83 wagon 308,000 AC and alot of rust repairs. (Wanda)
Brumby Trailer (Sulky)
LUV THAT BRUM !
RevMax Hobbies

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