Jeep Liberty

Outback bloke · Post by **Outback bloke** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:40 am

Only thing wrong with the "wheels 3 feet off the ground" thing is that when they are that far off the ground they aren't driving the vehicle so then it becomes a 2 or 3 wheel drive.

Subaman · Post by **Subaman** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:55 am

I would have thought the Lada Niva being built since 1977 would have been the first monocoque bodied 4WD ...... or is that AWD anyway , the 4WD\AWD argument has been around for years, it is just a play on words and another way for the those driving around in bush monoliths compensating for the small size of thier genitals to make themselves feel better,trouble is, they keep changing their mind, once upon a time it wasnt considered a real 4WD unless it had "cart springs" and live axles,and then it wasnt a real 4WD if it had coil springs, or worse still,independent suspension, that is until the bush monolith builders saw the light and started fitting it from the factory, all of a sudden its ok, now looking at most of them they dont even have to have ground clearance anymore either. So if you ask me, then whether it has an AWD or 4WD badge on it ,they both at some stage must be capable of powering all their wheels, how they achieve this is irrelevant. The only ones that aren't "real" 4WDrives are the ones that have diffs and hubs that can be locked and unlocked they are only "part time" 4WDrives. , and Subaru's offcourse.......they are unrealDrives

Wilbur · Post by **Wilbur** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:11 pm

Outback bloke wrote:Only thing wrong with the "wheels 3 feet off the ground" thing is that when they are that far off the ground they aren't driving the vehicle so then it becomes a 2 or 3 wheel drive.

But the wheel is still driven, so it is still driving 4 wheels...only 3 of them are propelling it though

Subaman · Post by **Subaman** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:36 pm

But then I could really be an arse and say unless it has 50-50 split and cross axle locks it's not a real 4wd. All 4 wheels get drive even if they are 3 feet in the air. Now if you were being absolute about it, then that is a 'real' 4wd. So factory 'real' 4wds are Jeep wrangler rubicon and the toyota models you can select factory cross axle locks on.

Cross axle locks and 50-50 split provides equal power to all wheels, vehicles fitted with Limited Slip type differentials still provide drive to all wheels, it just isn't distributed as equally

Wilbur · Post by **Wilbur** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:01 pm

But when a wheel is in the air it won't be driven.....ie 4 wheel DRIVE not 4 wheel drive sometimes then when a wheel looses traction.....ah too hard. Couldn't be stuffed. It makes no difference to me what it's called. All 4 of my wheels can drive all the time, in the air or otherwise. Real 4wd

Better put this in incase someone takes that the wrong way....I'm just stiring.

Outback bloke · Post by **Outback bloke** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:09 pm

drive all the time, in the air or otherwise. Real 4wd

LOL and you still got stuck on the beach at stuarts.

:D:D Mine had no lockers any where and I didn't get stuck. "Insert raspberry noise"

Wilbur · Post by **Wilbur** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:29 pm

Ah what ever mr stuck in the mud on the way to catch jacks and I also remember you needed to stop and let some air out in the sandy creek crossing because the banana was pulling you up.
We need to do another day at ray and robins I think......ofcourse we'll have to get there before sun up to sneak a go at those deere er dear or um deer.