4 x 140 PCD Pug wheels ?

discopotato03 · Post by **discopotato03** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 7:10 pm

ATM not impressed by the lack of tyres for 13" wheels so whats the go with Pug wheels , are they 14 or 15" and how hard are they to get ?

Whats the going rate for them if they can be found ?

Cheers A .

dfoyl · Post by **dfoyl** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 7:24 pm

14", 15" and the dreaded 390mm metric. 14"s are most common, expect to pay around $30-50 each unless you fluke them at a pick-a-part type yard. 15" are pretty much all alloy, and cost a bit more.

From memory, the rims from 504s are the ones to go for.

Dean.

discopotato03 · Post by **discopotato03** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 7:39 pm

Ok so the 14's sound like steel and the 15's alloy , are the offsets and centers same as Subaru ie hub centric ?

Also how difficult to find here in Australia ?

15's could be interesting , cheers A .

BlackMale · Post by **BlackMale** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 7:55 pm

discopotato03 wrote:Ok so the 14's sound like steel and the 15's alloy

Correct.

discopotato03 wrote:are the offsets and centers same as Subaru ie hub centric ?

Yes.

discopotato03 wrote:Also how difficult to find here in Australia?

Rocking Horse Poo, Hens Teeth, you get the picture.

discopotato03 · Post by **discopotato03** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:00 pm

More orphan bits god help me ...

I found pics on USMB , don't look too bad do they ? Sigh

A .

Gannon · Post by **Gannon** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:07 pm

If you have the coin, you could get "Performance Superlites"

King Steel wheels are cheap (around $80 each) and come in 14"

jsubie · Post by **jsubie** » Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:32 pm

The only trouble with Pug wheels are that it is getting hard to find tyre dealers that can balance them, because they have all upgraded there balancers.

dfoyl · Post by **dfoyl** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:10 am

15s are also available in steel, but I've never seen them here.

Might be worth putting a wanted up on aussiefrogs.com.au...

discopotato03 · Post by **discopotato03** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:59 am

Yes a mate of mine and myself chased a few threads back to ausie frogs .

So far the options seem to be a little pricey for what I want in the short term . A steel one that looked quite reasonable was the Scorpion but again a little exy probably due to low volume manufacture .

A while back I remember looking briefly at a pic of the Pug 14" steelies and didn't look so bad .

Tell me what is it with the wheel nuts , why is it always said that you must get the OEM ones for wheels . Guesses they have some weird taper or locating shoulder ?

The only other option I can think of is XT6 and whos gonna have those out here ?

Cheers A .

PS Don't suppose anyones thought of redrilling their hub flanges to say 4 x 114.3 PCD which is Nissan and Ford .

Gannon · Post by **Gannon** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:11 am

Yes most of us have thought about re-drilling, some of us have done it.

I think the biggest issue is that its illegal, and if you have a crash and they find the modifications, your insurance is viod

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:04 am

All I can recall is the smug smile on the used tyre importer when he slugged a pug owner sheetloads for used second hand old not new 390mm tyres to suit. Unless you have a friend travelling in from French ruled countries with room for a 390 every time I would not touch 390's

sublime · Post by **sublime** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 3:11 pm

discopotato03 wrote:Tell me what is it with the wheel nuts , why is it always said that you must get the OEM ones for wheels . Guesses they have some weird taper or locating shoulder ?

The only other option I can think of is XT6 and whos gonna have those out here ?

Cheers A .

The 15 inch alloys have a 'metric ball seat' (the edge is round) for the wheel nuts, not the usual chamfered cut. You can buy ball seat adapters for VW that allow you to use normal wheel nuts. This is what I use and they work fine. The USMB has more information on this option.

I paid $600 for my set of 505 alloys (including shipping). Not much of a saving over buying new Superlites! Although I think they do look better than the Superlites.

Seeing as the XT6 is 5 lug, why not go with the Crossbred kit? Would seem to be an easier option than trying to source XT6 parts.

discopotato03 · Post by **discopotato03** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 5:02 pm

LOL , wasn't thinking too clearly - XT6 !

It may have been some XT4s in the US that had 14 inch wheels , can't remember .

Not going to have a win with this unless someone was selling something reasonably cheaply second hand .

Those cheaper white steelies may be a show if the centers could be moved further outwards , need to see one from inwards side of the rim .

Any idea why FHI lumbered us with this 140 PCD size ?

I really should look at a spare hub and disk , front and back to see what can safely be achieved on a different PCD . Rear drums should be a piece of cake provided the stud heads missed all the internal drum brake components .

Back later , cheers A .

DavesB4 · Post by **DavesB4** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 5:18 pm

All 4 cylinder XT Coupes - Vortex here - had the ugly 140mm pcd.

The XT6 runs the same pcd as most modern Subarus. You do need to be careful. SVX and the last of the STi WRX before the new shape had a differnt PCD to the rest.

jsubie · Post by **jsubie** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:05 pm

I am still running Pugs on the front until I can get my lift kit and I've been running Bridgestone Bison 906's. There is not problem fitting the tyre on the PUG rimms.

dfoyl · Post by **dfoyl** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:07 pm

I am sure others have redrilled to 4x100 PCD which is common small car size. 4x113.5 I haven't seen/heard of done. The only factory Subaru 14" in 4x140 are from the Euro market and are VERY hard to find.

discopotato03 · Post by **discopotato03** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:22 am

I'm looking at some spare RX/XT4 front drive flanges to see if they can be redrilled to 4 by 114.3 PCD as a simple cheap means of fitting Datsun 14" wheels . I would not hang big heavy wheels off this but a 14 x 5.5 or 6 stould be OK .

I should be seeing my Rally fabricators this week and I'll show them a front drive flange and ask them to measure one up .
I reckon if you indexed the 4 by 114.3 holes slightly ahead of the 4 by 140 ones it should be doable .
The four std wheel location lugs should also be able to be turned down to suit a Datsun or whatever wheel and hopefully keep things hub centric .

Provided all looks good I can then get their opinion on the rear disc brake drive flanges and similar stud hole mod .

If thats a goer then I'll need to look at cheap 2nd hand alloy wheel offsets to see whats available .
The fabricators being Datsun specialists should know that already .

My friend mentioned that someone in Canberra (I think) rallied an RX with a mod along these lines and I'll be searching a certain board this afternoon to see how he went about it .

Also BTW , I don't want to see this idea ascape into back yards universally because it would be very possible to botch such a thing and make a road car dangerous .
It is NOT intended to be a cheap way to put big heavy bling wheels on an L or MY , the propper way is to get XT6 bits or a CrossBred kit and fit that .
Done properly , if the flanges have enough meat in the right areas , it may be workable but IMO only with wheels that are similar width and offset to say RX L ones but in 14 inch - with 185 or 195 width tyres .

In time , cheers A .

YouTube · Post by **El_Freddo** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:01 pm

sublime wrote:why not go with the Crossbred kit? Would seem to be an easier option than trying to source XT6 parts.

As Sublime says - and Gee recommends - fit the Crossbred... You gotta open those boxes someday

Two other reasons:

1) you won't look back
2) you'll be saving money in the long run

Cheers

Bennie

discopotato03 · Post by **discopotato03** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:45 pm

Yes there is no half measures on these old girls .

Plan is to sort out Spider manifold on existing engine so that any mods won't take up time on the day of the engine change , remember I'm using a modified plenum and 3 plug TB/TPS so we plan to alter the std manifolds engine loom to suit Spider electrical layout . No WAIC initally just the Spider crossover pipe .

Then the engine change - and after that the CrossBred kit conversion .
I'm speaking with people in the US because I'd still like to have XT6 backplates/front caliper brackets/and the longer than L but shorter than Lib front axle shafts .
I also have to get my rear arch lips rolled it so that I can run the 16 x 7 My00 Rex rims I have with 205 50 rubber .

In time , A .

Superlites are what my Rally people ran on their RX in the late 80s so they've been around for some time .

chrisk · Post by **chrisk** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:31 pm

''Tell me what is it with the wheel nuts , why is it always said that you must get the OEM ones for wheels . Guesses they have some weird taper or locating shoulder ?''

The wheel nuts sit in a valley of sorts in the pug wheels, so they actually look like a little cowboy hat. They are in two parts but pressed together. Pain in the proverbial as you have to have a set of suby ones as well if you swap your 14'' dirt wheels back to 13'' bitumen tyres like I do.