Engineering nsw?

stenno · Post by **stenno** » Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:23 pm

Anyone spoken to a ginger beer lately? I had a chat to my local one today that had previously ok'd a ej22 into a brumby and the gist of the conversation was have it done in the next 10 days or don't even bother. The new system is way more complex and his fees will be going up from about 500 ish to the thousands.
Anyone know any more about this and if the old loophole of 15% increase in capacity and no need to get an engineering certificate still applies?

I guess my ej20k and six speed conversion are now out of the question.

YouTube · Post by **El_Freddo** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:00 pm

stenno wrote:I guess my ej20k and six speed conversion are now out of the question.

Not if you've got the money to get it engineered! In vic you're already looking at a grand without the engineer even having looked at it - if they find something they're not happy with that's more again!

Modifying vehicles and engineering them is totally possible - if you've got deep enough pockets!

Cheers

Bennie

revmax · Post by **revmax** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:10 pm

would be good to find out if an EJ20 is still doable in a Brumby without engineering when the system changes. Cause I will be doing the changover in a month or less.

niterida · Post by **niterida** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 2:11 pm

In WA you can increase the size of the engine a certain % without needing engineering, but my understanding of this is that it only applies to the same engine family. So EJ16 to EJ25 etc.
Changing the engine type, even to a smaller one still needs to be engineered to make sure engine mounts etc are all up to scratch. So EA81 to EJ16 would still need to be engineered.

lickabout · Post by **lickabout** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 2:33 pm

Hi, Just for your information the whole engineering thing in NSW is undergoing a major change, with inspection stations doing the inspections, yes thats right, inspection stations. I have been in the auto trade for a long time and this is real scary stuff. BTW the changes are happening NOW

Remember the words VEHICLE SAFETY COMPLIANCE CERTIFICATION SCHEME or in RTA talk VSCCS

revmax · Post by **revmax** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 3:50 pm

not looking real good.
http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/ ... 011_v3.pdf

revmax · Post by **revmax** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:53 pm

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/ ... index.html

Post by **Alex** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:05 pm

time to move west

stenno · Post by **stenno** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:03 pm

So really its not all "chicken little" after all. It will just be different that the automotive engineering monopoly has been watered down with other parties able to fill out the paperwork. Also seems to be moving towards uniformity with other states too.

From reading all that http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/ ... _ncop.aspx Basically anything thats factory, should pass fine. Anything thats welded, should be fine as long as its welded correctly by someone with appropriate tickets.

EJ257 should be fine assuming that a brumby weighs more than 910kg too. As long as the exhaust, ecu, wiring etc are all "factory".

brockharro · Post by **brockharro** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:57 pm

ej20 still looks doable and maybe a ej22 coz its 20% but its sais power so i dont know

Gannon · Post by **Gannon** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:04 pm

So does that mean that the EJ20G, AWD box and 5 stud conversion in my RX will need an engineers certificate, or can I just get away with a blue slip when I register it?

Gannon · Post by **Gannon** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:27 pm

1.2 MODIFICATIONS REQUIRING CERTIFICATION UNDER LA CODES
The following is a summary of modifications that may be performed under Section LA:
 Fitting engines greater than 120% of original power and/or engine mass;
 Fitting performance engines;
 Fitting engines from non original equipment sources;
 Installing a supercharger or turbocharger; and
 Modifying the engine and engine components that results in an increase in engine power
of more than 20% and/or affects exhaust emissions.

Looks like I'll need an engineer, RX had 115HP, the WRX that the engine came from made 237HP.

brockharro · Post by **brockharro** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:37 pm

needs engineering anyway coz u gotta cut chassis rails

niterida · Post by **niterida** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:56 pm

stenno wrote: EJ257 should be fine assuming that a brumby weighs more than 910kg too. As long as the exhaust, ecu, wiring etc are all "factory".

I just had my Brumby approved to run a 13B turbo rotary and they are rated at 2.6l so a 2.5L NA motor will be well within specs.

Official Brumby weight is 970kg.

The biggest worry for the future is if they bring in the IM240 test - which basically means any modified car has to pass current (or very close to) emissions regs and the test to prove it will cost $$$ and if it fails you have to do it again at the same cost.....

niterida · Post by **niterida** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:58 pm

brockharro wrote:ej20 still looks doable and maybe a ej22 coz its 20% but its sais power so i dont know

Yeah but its a different type of engine so it needs engineered, even if it was smaller and put out less power - things like engine mounts still need to be checked and apporved by an engineer.

The power and size upgrade only applies to the same engine type. So you can upgrade an EJ20 to an EJ25 but you can't upgrade an EA81 to even an EJ16.

brockharro · Post by **brockharro** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:18 pm

niterida wrote:Yeah but its a different type of engine so it needs engineered, even if it was smaller and put out less power - things like engine mounts still need to be checked and apporved by an engineer.

The power and size upgrade only applies to the same engine type. So you can upgrade an EJ20 to an EJ25 but you can't upgrade an EA81 to even an EJ16.

dammit really that means i cant drive it stupid new rules when do they come into affect

niterida · Post by **niterida** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:15 pm

brockharro wrote:dammit really that means i cant drive it stupid new rules when do they come into affect

These rules aren't new - been in effect for quite a while now.

What is new in NSW is (from my brief reading) that you no longer need to be an engineer to be authorised to pass modifications on cars. You still need to be certified by the RTA but it looks like if you have a workshop and can prove you are competent then you can approve modifications. Someone feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

brockharro · Post by **brockharro** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:23 am

well thats good i guess makes it abit easier

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:47 am

The funny thing about NSW is pink and blue differences. Had a HZ ute converted to Commode V6 come in wanting a change of engine number inspection done...thinking ehhhh???? checked with the tech enq guys to find we had to oblige even though the engine swap did not have an engineers certificate. The question techs asked was is it registered? It is. Well all we needed to do was complete the identity section of the blue slip (not the pink slip safety inspection part) with presented vehicle details on it body # and new engine number, cc etc. We would only have to be concerned for eng certificate if we were doing full blue inspection. With numbers updated at the RTA with the form the fella then comes in to get his pinky done where engine is not considered other than oil leaks, exhaust leaks noise etc ! In some instances th RTA seem like nazis and other times almost like things are overlooked in a technicality way.

Gannon, if you had the RX registered first before dropping new stuff in it would have been no eng cert until a blue slip is required. How your insurance company reads the process above I don't know - you provide rego papers with current engine number

steptoe · Post by **steptoe** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:14 am

I dunno if it helps anyone with engineering application but my Brumby was 1180kg as it stood on a weighbridge - step off and it is 100kg - still bit lardier than the 970 kg spec'd for them.

Been reading up on NSW RTA engineers scheme that closes on 30 Sep 2011 and then allows AIS and AUVIS inspectors to apply to take the place of the engineers. This scheme actually opens things up for responsible individuals to apply that have no engineering degree, but experience and ability to assess. Fees are not set by RTA - they are negotiable between inspector and customer.

It appears to be opening up the competition for existing approved signatories beyond the 30 Sept. I can onnly guess all engineers previously will continue in the business once they have applied and passed and paid their dues.

Looks like it could be a good thing

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